Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[What'sinaname]

re David's post: I think you may be surprised how many people will be understanding of the situation and will prefer that scenario to further lockdowns.

yes i personally know a few selfish $$%^%%$ arseholes who only think its about themselves!

.......on both sides of the argument.

I know a few people who have become so comfortable working in trackies and haven't lost a dime through this that are happy spruiking continued lockdown.

Maybe their tune would change if they were slugged with a 10% levy to pay down the debt from lockdowns.

[David]

I've thought the same (about the motivation of some to be pro-lockdown), but it's really a crying shame that everybody who can't work isn't being paid to stay home at the moment. Levy or not, it probably will come out of our pockets eventually through higher taxation down the track, and that will be adjusted according to income, as it should be. But the important thing is that everyone has the resources to keep going right now. A pandemic like this was always going to be a money black hole, and I don't see the point in governments pretending otherwise.

And for those interested, as of today NSW overtook Victoria for the most local Covid cases. here's a comparison

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw- ... 58maa.html

from that article"Another important difference here between NSW’s current outbreak and Victoria’s second wave is the age breakdown of those infected.

In Victoria’s second wave, a disproportionate number of people aged 70 and above contracted the virus, largely due to outbreaks in aged care facilities.

People aged 70 and above make up about 11 per cent of the state’s population, but almost 14 per cent of cases recorded during Victoria’s second wave and more than 90 per cent of the state’s total deaths from the virus.

But in NSW’s latest outbreak, 4 per cent of those infected have been aged 70 or above and 61 per cent of people in this age group are fully vaccinated against COVID statewide."

this is so important to understand.

Kind of suggests the outbreak up there has been much more widespread than it was here, but with much less lethal consequences.

[stui magpie]

^

Correct, they're doing 3-4 times more testing up there than we were down here back then.

The virus is being carried by the younger people, most of the older ones are vaccinated and aren't catching it.

The other thing is, despite the small number of deaths in NSW compared to Vic last year, there's an argument that this variant is actually more deadly as it is killing and hospitalising young unvaccinated people. The Alpha strain was carried by young people who in many cases didn't even know they had it, let alone require hospitalisation

[think positive]

so yes vaccinations work!

[think positive]

re David's post: I think you may be surprised how many people will be understanding of the situation and will prefer that scenario to further lockdowns.

yes i personally know a few selfish $$%^%%$ arseholes who only think its about themselves!

.......on both sides of the argument.

I know a few people who have become so comfortable working in trackies and haven't lost a dime through this that are happy spruiking continued lockdown.

Maybe their tune would change if they were slugged with a 10% levy to pay down the debt from lockdowns.

i know people happy to work from home but none spruiking for more lockdown!

so who do you want to pay that levy? people able to work from home? or anyone able to work?

and just FYI those people are continuing to pay taxes, so they will be paying back the debt from lockdown!


im still gobsmacked that people think politicians are doing this because they want to! so all the world leaders got together and said lets **** the worlds economy and kill a few million people agonizingly while we are at it!

do you think Dan thinks he has a chance at re-election? do you think he enjoyed the crap he copped while waiting for his back to heal? and take it from me, he still working in pain! you think Gladys is having fun?

dont blame lockdown on the politicians blame it on the **** not doing the right thing in quarantine, not getting tested, or going out knowing full well they have it, or having engagement parties. if you cant trust people to behave in a manner that is good for society in general, you have to have "dumb" rules.

[Jezza]

I know a few people who have become so comfortable working in trackies and haven't lost a dime through this that are happy spruiking continued lockdown.

Same here. I know some people who enjoy the lockdowns and don’t want to go back to pre-COVID times.

It’s pretty clear lockdowns don’t work against Delta if the aim is zero cases.

[Jezza]

re David's post: I think you may be surprised how many people will be understanding of the situation and will prefer that scenario to further lockdowns.

Yep.

If people want to stay locked down, then all by means take that course of action.

However, let the rest of us get on with living. We’re fully vaccinated and want to resume our lives. Otherwise, Australia will continue falling behind the rest of the world.

[think positive]

I know a few people who have become so comfortable working in trackies and haven't lost a dime through this that are happy spruiking continued lockdown.

Same here. I know some people who enjoy the lockdowns and don’t want to go back to pre-COVID times.

It’s pretty clear lockdowns don’t work against Delta if the aim is zero cases.

really? i cannot think of a single person who is enjoying lockdown! except maybe my dogs!

[Jezza]

really? i cannot think of a single person who is enjoying lockdown! except maybe my dogs!

I’ve seen both sides of it. Those with young children, those who work in non-essential industries and small business owners have struggled.

In contrast, there’s another contingent I also know who haven’t lost anything during the pandemic and are actually relishing WFH. A lot of these I notice work within the public sector and love the status quo in spite of lockdowns.

[David]

Worth considering that there are also (I'm guessing, a non-negligible number of) people like me who still have stable work that we can do from home, but can't handle it and are desperate to get back to the office at the first opportunity. Having kids tends to be something of a factor in that.

[Jezza]

Worth considering that there are also (I'm guessing, a non-negligible number of) people like me who still have stable work that we can do from home, but can't handle it and are desperate to get back to the office at the first opportunity. Having kids tends to be something of a factor in that.

I can understand the sentiment

[Pies4shaw]

^^^^^ Lockdowns don't work against Delta in NSW because the place in run by morons who waited way too long to lock down - they made the mistake of thinking they were much cleverer than they actually are. Lockdowns do work in Qld, Victoria, SA, the NT and WA, so far. No one likes them.

No one thinks lockdowns are a good idea. What we have to do is get much, much more of the population vaccinated - as to which, see my earlier post concerning the favourable recent experience in Denmark.

[Pies4shaw]

And for those interested, as of today NSW overtook Victoria for the most local Covid cases. here's a comparison

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw- ... 58maa.html

Yes, gun effort by NSW.

[stui magpie]

Worth considering that there are also (I'm guessing, a non-negligible number of) people like me who still have stable work that we can do from home, but can't handle it and are desperate to get back to the office at the first opportunity. Having kids tends to be something of a factor in that.

I can understand the sentiment

I'm in the category of preferring to work from home, at least in a hybrid model (some from home, some in the office) but hating the lockdowns.

If we aren't locked down and free to go to the office, I'd still be at home at least 3 days per week and sometimes only going in for part days for meetings.

Our head office is moving to a new building that only has space for about 50% of the staff, so they're planning on having people working in the hybrid model in an ongoing basis.

[stui magpie]

^^^^^ Lockdowns don't work against Delta in NSW because the place in run by morons who waited way too long to lock down - they made the mistake of thinking they were much cleverer than they actually are. Lockdowns do work in Qld, Victoria, SA, the NT and WA, so far. No one likes them.

No one thinks lockdowns are a good idea. What we have to do is get much, much more of the population vaccinated - as to which, see my earlier post concerning the favourable recent experience in Denmark.

Lockdowns only work against Delta if you have people do what they're told. Having a stage 4 lockdown in Vic isn't working right now, the virus got loose in NSW because people ignored the restrictions same as what's happening here.