The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[stoliboy]

AFL CEO Gil McLachlan will have a Press Conference at 11:30am.

[watt price tully]

I disagree
Saying you will pay and support actions to inflict harm/fear is not to be joked about..

Peoples like you... Ffs.

It is nothing like a gender specific statement, you drawing that conclusion says more about you than anything....

Read redlights post, and then read it again....and again...and again.........

...and when it sinks in......read it again until you know it by heart.

No wonder trump has gathered traction in the US. ......

Amongst whom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSXp37aJJ1w

but we digress...

[Leave it, It's Billy E's]

I disagree
Saying you will pay and support actions to inflict harm/fear is not to be joked about..

Peoples like you... Ffs.

It is nothing like a gender specific statement, you drawing that conclusion says more about you than anything....

Read redlights post, and then read it again....and again...and again.........

...and when it sinks in......read it again until you know it by heart.

No wonder trump has gathered traction in the US. The PC police are driving everyone into madness, (no offense to nut jobs intended).

People like me who have an opinion opposite to yours you mean...
It is my opinion. He and the blokes who said it should all be out of a job.
You have your opinion.
But. I am not a Trump fan.. <snip, no need for that last part, thank you - bbmods>

[makri]

I wonder if this would have got the same reaction had Eddie's comments been about Mark Robertson. I doubt it.

In saying that, he does need to be a bit more careful when he opens his mouth. The Adam Goodes comments and now this.

[September Zeros]

Peoples like you... Ffs.

It is nothing like a gender specific statement, you drawing that conclusion says more about you than anything....

Read redlights post, and then read it again....and again...and again.........

...and when it sinks in......read it again until you know it by heart.

No wonder trump has gathered traction in the US. The PC police are driving everyone into madness, (no offense to nut jobs intended).

People like me who have an opinion opposite to yours you mean...
It is my opinion. He and the blokes who said it should all be out of a job.
You have your opinion.
But. I am not a Trump fan.. <snip, no need for that last part, thank you - bbmods>

c'mon mods, id like to know what the last part was in case I or others have been victimised and can loosely link the abuse to my heritage, my mental state, or my ex girlfriends, mothers, brothers dog who only had three legs. I'm sure it will be an outrage and heads will roll.

You're entitled to an opinion Leave it be, I never said you were not. As I am entitled to mine.

And mine is your being overly sensitive and helping to create hysteria over nothing. You don't believe you are. And never the twain shall meet.

[Leave it, It's Billy E's]

...and when it sinks in......read it again until you know it by heart.

No wonder trump has gathered traction in the US. The PC police are driving everyone into madness, (no offense to nut jobs intended).

People like me who have an opinion opposite to yours you mean...
It is my opinion. He and the blokes who said it should all be out of a job.
You have your opinion.
But. I am not a Trump fan.. <snip, no need for that last part, thank you - bbmods>

c'mon mods, id like to know what the last part was in case I or others have been victimised and can loosely link the abuse to my heritage, my mental state, or my ex girlfriends, mothers, brothers dog who only had three legs. I'm sure it will be an outrage and heads will roll.

You're entitled to an opinion Leave it be, I never said you were not. As I am entitled to mine.

And mine is your being overly sensitive and helping to create hysteria over nothing. You don't believe you are. And never the twain shall meet.

I can tell you i wrote that the person self inflict something on themself...
Yes violence which i have been loudly against...
I was fishing to see if they took the bait...To see if they would get uppity about that or see "the joke" in it all...
The Mods quite rightly deleted it...

[stoliboy]

Caroline Wilson: Eddie McGuire's ice pool attack took me back to the bad old
The Age
June 20, 2016
By Caroline Wilson
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/caro ... pn1kv.html

I have felt uncomfortable all week about the Eddie McGuire-led attack on me last Monday.

I've seen him twice at AFL events and avoided him, not wishing to cause a scene or embarrass others. I really wish he would adopt more decent, conventional ways of dealing with criticism and perceived disloyalty.

To let his so-called jokey banter get through without trying to explain why language like McGuire's is so wrong would be letting down true victims of violence; although not for one minute am I attempting to compare my treatment to theirs. In terms of the football beat that I cover it's also important to reinforce the point that club presidents should surely not be contributing to the problem.

When my editor asked me to write this column my first response was discomfort. As a busy football weekend rolls into Monday there always seem to be so many good stories to explore and, believe me, I do not relish being a part of a story like this. Again.

My first response in these situations has generally been to shrug my shoulders and move on to the next issue. Surely I have to expect what comes back my way in response to strong and occasionally provocative opinions.

As an AFL executive commented to me on Sunday, it was heartening to see that I was tough enough to once again withstand the rubbish that occasionally comes from a boys club that I never want to join and would thankfully never have me as a member.

Clearly many of you reading this will be thinking that I bring much of this on myself. I have criticised James Brayshaw's leadership in the past and recently wrote a column asking whether McGuire needed to put an end date on his Collingwood presidency after almost 20 years. On Channel 9, I have a segment called Caro's Arrow every Monday night.

But his musings last Monday extended to referring to someone asking legitimate questions of his long-standing tenure at Collingwood as 'a black widow'. This sort of sexist nonsense has long been an acceptable part of his occasionally violent vernacular but I don't accept that it's jokey or banter.

I have no doubt that he was angry that I suggested he start thinking about a succession plan after almost two decades in the job. He felt that I betrayed our relationship which has teetered on the brink many times, over many years, but over the course of the recent past has been good.

As a journalist with strong opinions I fully expect strong feedback. Every time I write a column which might hurt someone I'm fully cognisant of how that subject will feel and respond. I regularly get attacked and generally move on. But the day a commentator starts avoiding the issue or stops saying what they really think about a genuine issue to protect a relationship is the day they let down their readers and stop doing their job.

No journalist no commentator, male or female, should have to put up with personal attacks for doing so. McGuire avoided the issue at hand. He played the woman and engaged a couple of willing blokes only too happy to do his bidding.

Knowing him, he is not going down without a fight. Violence against women is abhorrent, he keeps saying; even as a joke. Having said that he still took some time to back down about his comments directed at me which were supposedly humorous but in truth were laced with venom. The pressure for him to publicly apologise must have been significant as after initially defending his comments he eventually retracted them "in the spirit of what we're trying to achieve".

Disgracefully, McGuire had attempted to compare his comments last Monday with a conversation of an entirely different kind held in the 3AW broadcast box involving Tony Shaw. I am so sorry that my colleague, who made a brief remark to my face and there it ended, has been compared with the bully boys.

But no one should be surprised because McGuire's response to his latest inappropriate remark is a virtual carbon copy of his response to the far more damaging and thoughtless comments regarding Adam Goodes. Not for a second am I trying to compare the two incidents or the impact or hurt inflicted but McGuire's default position is so similar.

Back then he was a champion on indigenous rights. Now it's women. Back then he was a victim who came to empathise with the persecution of indigenous Australians. Now he's a victim again.

Back then, the Collingwood board and his media employers failed to take any meaningful stand against him. But McGuire's power and influence should not be underestimated. In so many brilliant ways he has earned it but somewhere along the line, bullying got him his way and too often he still runs with it.

It is so disappointing that the default position of the Triple M gang at such a momentous occasion as the freeze campaign for Motor Neurone Disease was casual violent banter against an individual they do not like.

It took me back to the old days of The Footy Show when the former host and Collingwood president would line me up in an occasionally vile and foul-mouthed way and enlist his colleagues in a series of sexist gang tackles.

What is not disappointing is that back then the attacks would vanish without trace. While no one at the Triple M club had any real issue with what took place last Monday until they were called on it, the wider football community has clearly started to change.

[PyreneesPie]

Eddie's mistake was assuming that Wilson was equal with him and could be treated the same as a man.

Agree with you. The comments were probably generated from a base of thinking "well, he/she can dish it out, in return he/she should be able to take it". I don't believe for one minute that Eddie's comments were coming from a base of sexism or wanting to condone domestic violence against women.

Having said that, the people involved in this conversation need to realize that somewhere out there in radio land, there would be a very small minority of warped minds who would interpret what they said as being an endorsement for their own violent attitudes.

So, they just went one step too far with the banter, which is easy to do in a jocular atmosphere. I even found the banter amusing, (given the history between Eddie and Caro), until I thought of the warped minds listening, who could see it differently (not meaning the PC brigade here! ).

[stoliboy]

Gillon McLachlan press conference on now - ABC News 24

http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/

[MagpiesTheGreat]

Go Eddie!!!

[stoliboy]

Gillon McLachlan gave a bit long speech about how he wants the AFL to change the conversation on violence against women.

Then went on to say from a question from a journalist that Eddie McGuire's apology is sufficient.

Gillon won't comment on private conversations but did not ask Eddie to stand down.

[Skids]

Next we'll be banning bumper cars at the Royal Show because they invoke road rage.
The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.

[CarringbushCigar]

Gillon McLachlan gave a bit long speech about how he wants the AFL to change the conversation on violence against women.

Then went on to say from a question from a journalist that Eddie McGuire's apology is sufficient.

Gillon won't comment on private conversations but did not ask Eddie to stand down.

IMHO they all deserve the shaming that has come and will continue.
Whenever Ed gets attacked he attacks back like a pit bull and its ugly.
He should be above it.

Gillon is smashing it in this press conference.

Whilst I support the violence against women campaign 100% I am confused as to why the message isn't violence against fellow humans full stop.

I know that women are much more likely to be a victim - violence of men on men or women on men can be equally destructive.
Im not understanding the need to eliminate these from the overall violence mix.

[King Monkey]

Ridiculous overreaction from the humourless few that somehow feel empowered by their own empty outrage.

The comments were a joke. Quite a funny one at that.

It is an insult to the actual victims of violence that people are more outraged by this than they are by a woman being beaten with an iron bar during a robbery.

Yet the headlines tomorrow will be all about a harmless joke told on radio. The discussion at workplaces tomorrow will be about a joke told on radio. Columnists will fill pages, talk-back will be inundated with outrage, outrage so deeply and sincerely held that will be gone by the afternoon. All of it impotent, pointless and counter productive.

And why? Because the joke was told by celebrities.

Be angry if it makes you feel better, but don't kid yourself that your attitude does anything to end violence against women. You're just creating victims where there are none, and leaving the real victims to their own devices.

Bingo.

Would love someone to line up the 2 transcripts of the MMM blokes joking around next to the 3AW blokes + Wilson joking around - using the exact same language, talking about the exact same subject, using the exact same person as the butt of the joke.

This is apparently "violence against women". Deary me. Someone shoot me now with that long bow.......

[STOKA35]

And Caro probably muttered the same words and thoughts when ed went down the slide to