Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Dave The Man]

^ Will probably be much longer, given that, in Victoria:

92 new local cases and 1 new case acquired overseas (currently in HQ).
- 31,436 vaccine doses were administered
- 51,030 test results were received

Of the 92 locally-acquired cases, 61 have so far been linked to existing cases and outbreaks. Further case information will be provided this morning

Yeah as Majority of Vaccines will be sent to NSW before anywhere else.

Thanks Scommo and Hunt

[stui magpie]

^

Sorry Dave, that's wrong.

NSW got an extra load but at no time has Vic had to turn people away for lack of vaccine, they've had ample supply the whole time.

That number is only the vaccinations given by the state run facilities. When you include the federal facilities like GP, it goes up to 85,000

[swoop42]

The 132,000 extra dead in the UK and their families wouldn't complain about Dan and his lock down record.

The millions of Europeans that haven't died - and probably the bulk of those related to ones who have died - would definitely complain and would not trade places with us. This is not just about people dying from covid.

too right. Not seeing many (any) countries saying, hey, let's do it the Australia and NZ way.

You're right.

When your country is awash with death already and all you want is your right to go to the pub what does another death really matter anyway.

Life is cheap and worth less than a pint of beer for some of you I see.

[Dave The Man]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 30204563-1

[swoop42]

The 132,000 extra dead in the UK and their families wouldn't complain about Dan and his lock down record.

Honestly the lack of perspective from some of you and the constant whinging is mind blowing.

Honestly it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

We're in the midst of a world pandemic and dealing with an enemy that is invisible, silent and odourless.

It's bloody difficult and dangerous work.

It's funny how the Cult of Dan always looks overseas, never want to compare him to other premiers in Australia, why is that?

I'll tell you what is funny and that's how people have completely chosen to ignore the one obvious natural advantage NSW has had over Victoria throughout this pandemic and that is climate.

Why is this an advantage?

Well a more moderate climate during the winter months encourages and affords millions of Sydney residents the luxury to make a decision that places them at less risk of catching COVID on a greater number of days of the year.

Whether it be friends and family catching up outside in the sunshine instead of a home, people choosing to go to their local shopping strip instead of a busy and climate controlled shopping centre or people simply being able to open their windows for ventilation or be in their backyard rather than a stuffy gas heated room it all adds up day after day after day to less risky environments.

Of course with the Delta strain that has now seemingly eroded any advantage for NSW and yet further north in Brisbane we aren't as yet seeing the same explosion of COVID cases?

Why is that?

Is it because the QLD Labor government are really the ones implementing the "gold standard" of contact tracing and other measures to control the spread or is it simply the result of a State having an even greater advantage over Victoria and NSW because of it's warm weather.

[stui magpie]

Climate didn't help India much.

Qld and NSW had the advantage last year of truly great contact tracing, Victoria didn't. That's a fact from the inquiry.

They were both also able to manage a hotel quarantine program that didn't leak like a screen door on a submarine, despite both bringing in significantly more international arrivals.

Test, Trace and Isolate is the first line of defence. Every state and territory has managed that better than Victoria.

Public Health Measures is the second line. Restrictions on mobility, stay at home orders, working from home, closing borders etc. Victoria has not once been able to control an outbreak without needing to go to hard lockdown for extended periods, every other state has.

The current situation is just not sustainable medium to long term, we have to get enough people vaccinated to open back up again, even if that has to be done in a gradual basis.

[swoop42]

Anyone who thinks Dan shouldn't have us in lockdown currently or that Gladys is right in her rush to reopen then have a read of this.

This is the reality currently facing the people on the frontline, the people who will have to deal with the consequences of the decisions made by our Politicians, the people who unlike most of us might be forced to make a life or death decision if lockdown is abandoned to soon and our hospitals reach breaking point.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/ ... 58mha.html

[Dave The Man]

Climate didn't help India much.

Hotter weather might been the case for Alpha Strain but does not make sense with Delta as you say it started in India when it Always Hot

[What'sinaname]

^ what that tells me is that the lockdowns are actually hiding the true deficiency of our healthcare system.

Regarding lockdowns, it's the balancing act of how you ease restriction, not get rid of them all together.

Why can't we let a family rent a house on Airbnb to see a different four walls?

Let people get out of the 5km radius to ride their bikes or go fishing.

Let restaurants have a few diners - masks off only when seated.

You say we are protecting life, but what we are currently doing isn't really living.

[Dave The Man]

Anyone who thinks Dan shouldn't have us in lockdown currently or that Gladys is right in her rush to reopen then have a read of this.

This is the reality currently facing the people on the frontline, the people who will have to deal with the consequences of the decisions made by our Politicians, the people who unlike most of us might be forced to make a life or death decision if lockdown is abandoned to soon and our hospitals reach breaking point.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/ ... 58mha.html

Thanks to these and other Idiots they must feel like they are wasting there time when lot of people not following the Rules and just don't care

[Dave The Man]

^ what that tells me is that the lockdowns are actually hiding the true deficiency of our healthcare system.

Regarding lockdowns, it's the balancing act of how you ease restriction, not get rid of them all together.

Why can't we let a family rent a house on Airbnb to see a different four walls?

Let people get out of the 5km radius to ride their bikes or go fishing.

Let restaurants have a few diners - masks off only when seated.

You say we are protecting life, but what we are currently doing isn't really living.

Well you be happy to have High Death Rates because of Covid then?

Even IF it means someone close you dies of Covid because the Vaccine Numbers are not High Enough when Lockdown ends?

[What'sinaname]

Well you be happy to have High Death Rates because of Covid then?

Even IF it means someone close you dies of Covid because the Vaccine Numbers are not High Enough when Lockdown ends?

NSW death rates aren't exactly high, and what I am suggested are low risk easing of restrictions. How does a family sitting in a different house make a difference?

Also, I'd be more devastated if my teenage cousin commits suicide because of being locked down and isolated from their friends. But you seem to be OK when IF teenages kill themselves it seems.

[swoop42]

Climate didn't help India much.

Qld and NSW had the advantage last year of truly great contact tracing, Victoria didn't. That's a fact from the inquiry.

They were both also able to manage a hotel quarantine program that didn't leak like a screen door on a submarine, despite both bringing in significantly more international arrivals.

Test, Trace and Isolate is the first line of defence. Every state and territory has managed that better than Victoria.

Public Health Measures is the second line. Restrictions on mobility, stay at home orders, working from home, closing borders etc. Victoria has not once been able to control an outbreak without needing to go to hard lockdown for extended periods, every other state has.

The current situation is just not sustainable medium to long term, we have to get enough people vaccinated to open back up again, even if that has to be done in a gradual basis.

India has 1.3 billion citizens, it's an impoverished nation where most people have no choice but to go out and interact with others if they want to eat (no jobkeeper/seeker to fall back on) has poor sanitation and health care.

COVID was always going to take hold under those circumstances and it's hardly a worthy comparison to a first world country of 25 million where the smallest of errors or advantages can produce an amplified impact.

If you want to keep on believing that Victoria's contact tracing isn't in 2021 as good or better than that of N.S.W or Queensland then go right ahead.

I say Queensland is to date providing evidence that even with the Delta strain (which is being used an excuse for Gladys) their warmer climate is an advantage just like Summer has proved beneficial across the globe in comparison to Winter.

[swoop42]

Well you be happy to have High Death Rates because of Covid then?

Even IF it means someone close you dies of Covid because the Vaccine Numbers are not High Enough when Lockdown ends?

NSW death rates aren't exactly high, and what I am suggested are low risk easing of restrictions. How does a family sitting in a different house make a difference?

Also, I'd be more devastated if my teenage cousin commits suicide because of being locked down and isolated from their friends. But you seem to be OK when IF teenages kill themselves it seems.

Stop with the lies.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-ha ... a/covid-19

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/ ... /100305640

However, despite experts warning the crisis could result in more people taking their own lives, data from suicide registers in Victoria, Queensland and New South Wales shows that has not happened, even with key risk factors like unemployment worsening since the start of the pandemic.

[think positive]

Swoop you are so so right about all of it