Terror attacks by Islamist groups

Nick's current affairs & general discussion about anything that's not sport.
Voice your opinion on stories of interest to all at Nick's.

Moderator: bbmods

Post Reply
User avatar
stui magpie
Posts: 54664
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 10:10 am
Location: In flagrante delicto
Has liked: 74 times
Been liked: 77 times

Post by stui magpie »

David wrote:
ronrat wrote:
David wrote:^ And you think that was OK?
In some circumstances yes. The Italians were pretty much highly productive and many stayed in the areas. They didn't want to go back and die for Mussolini. At least we interred them and didn't give them a one way ticket to a "shower". A lot of boys of German descent fought in WW 1 for Australia because their families fled German persecution. But WW2 was fought on different ideologies and the Government of the day had no mechanism to handle it all. Our intelligence services were British to the bootsraps and they had their hands full with communists as well. It was natural they would be suspicious of Germans and later the Japanese, both who inflicted casualties in Australian waters (Centaur and Sydney 11). It is better to be safe than sorry. What would you have done differently?

I would not have indefinitely imprisoned people who had committed no crime. But what do you think? If, for whatever reason, Australia and Thailand end up on opposing sides of a conflict, would you be happy to go to say goodbye to your home, the Missus and everyday life and head off to a Thai prison for three or four years? Or do you think that might be going a bit far?


The question isn't whether he'd like it, of course he wouldn't.

The questions is, would Thailand be justified in doing it?

The correct answer is, don't know it would depend on the situation at the time.

Would you like being conscripted and either sent off to fight in a war or sent to prison if you refused? I bet not, that doesn't mean that conscription isn't sometimes necessary.

What's that saying? The needs of the state and the majority outweigh the needs of the individual?
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
User avatar
David
Posts: 50564
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:04 pm
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 37 times

Post by David »

Look, I'm as much of a utilitarian as anyone, but I just don't think such a thing could ever be justified. I suspect the dangers of spying or sabotage from Japanese/German civilians were either hugely overestimated or else it was more of a PR exercise aimed at placating suspicious civilians. These were the days of the White Australia Policy and the Stolen Generations; it wasn't exactly the most enlightened time in our nation's history.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
User avatar
Dave The Man
Posts: 44968
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:04 pm
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
Been liked: 5 times
Contact:

Post by Dave The Man »

Another One and This time in Australia

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/0 ... type=Email
I am Da Man
5150
Posts: 8059
Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:36 pm

Post by 5150 »

Dave The Man wrote:Another One and This time in Australia

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/0 ... type=Email
Not quite a terrorist act, maybe they were just looking for a Bunnings or just didn't read the gas bottle label correctly and thought it said Cop n Go.
Let's wait for more info.
User avatar
Dave The Man
Posts: 44968
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:04 pm
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
Been liked: 5 times
Contact:

Post by Dave The Man »

5150 wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:Another One and This time in Australia

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/0 ... type=Email
Not quite a terrorist act, maybe they were just looking for a Bunnings or just didn't read the gas bottle label correctly and thought it said Cop n Go.
Let's wait for more info.
Highly doubt that. Why would he have so many Petrol Containers in his Car?
I am Da Man
User avatar
think positive
Posts: 40194
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:33 pm
Location: somewhere
Has liked: 230 times
Been liked: 88 times

Post by think positive »

Dave The Man wrote:
5150 wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:Another One and This time in Australia

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/0 ... type=Email
Not quite a terrorist act, maybe they were just looking for a Bunnings or just didn't read the gas bottle label correctly and thought it said Cop n Go.
Let's wait for more info.
Highly doubt that. Why would he have so many Petrol Containers in his Car?
I think he might be joking honey :wink:
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
User avatar
Mugwump
Posts: 8787
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:17 pm
Location: Between London and Melbourne

Post by Mugwump »

David wrote:Look, I'm as much of a utilitarian as anyone, but I just don't think such a thing could ever be justified. I suspect the dangers of spying or sabotage from Japanese/German civilians were either hugely overestimated or else it was more of a PR exercise aimed at placating suspicious civilians. These were the days of the White Australia Policy and the Stolen Generations; it wasn't exactly the most enlightened time in our nation's history.
It was also a time when we did not feel the need to lock up refugees on Manus Island, or price the young out of a home, or run the risk of having a carousel full of small children ploughed up by hatred in a truck, or planes full of humanity crashed into buildings full of humanity. It was a time when we did not high levels of street violence, or ludicrous CEO pay, or child pornography or sexual violence against women.

The past was certainly rifted with horrors, from war to (genuine) racism to institutional sex abuse, and much besides. But maybe "enlightenment" is as qualified today as it was yesterday. Maybe humanity doesn't actually progress to an ideal, but just recycles its vices - power, intellectual hatred, lust - into different channels, while congratulating itself on its present enlightenment.
Two more flags before I die!
watt price tully
Posts: 20842
Joined: Tue May 15, 2007 1:14 pm

Post by watt price tully »

Mugwump wrote:
David wrote:Look, I'm as much of a utilitarian as anyone, but I just don't think such a thing could ever be justified. I suspect the dangers of spying or sabotage from Japanese/German civilians were either hugely overestimated or else it was more of a PR exercise aimed at placating suspicious civilians. These were the days of the White Australia Policy and the Stolen Generations; it wasn't exactly the most enlightened time in our nation's history.
It was also a time when we did not feel the need to lock up refugees on Manus Island, or price the young out of a home, or run the risk of having a carousel full of small children ploughed up by hatred in a truck, or planes full of humanity crashed into buildings full of humanity. It was a time when we did not high levels of street violence, or ludicrous CEO pay, or child pornography or sexual violence against women.

The past was certainly rifted with horrors, from war to (genuine) racism to institutional sex abuse, and much besides. But maybe "enlightenment" is as qualified today as it was yesterday. Maybe humanity doesn't actually progress to an ideal, but just recycles its vices - power, intellectual hatred, lust - into different channels, while congratulating itself on its present enlightenment.
A bit depressing & glum but it resonates - like what you posted.
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman
User avatar
David
Posts: 50564
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:04 pm
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 37 times

Post by David »

"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
User avatar
Dave The Man
Posts: 44968
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:04 pm
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
Been liked: 5 times
Contact:

Post by Dave The Man »

Turned out to be some Mental Case who Attacked the Police Station. Well that is the Story at the Moment
I am Da Man
User avatar
Skids
Posts: 9909
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:46 am
Location: ANZAC day 2019 with Dad.
Has liked: 26 times
Been liked: 34 times

Post by Skids »

80 dead in Islamic State suicide bombing in Kabul.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /87472562/
Don't count the days, make the days count.
User avatar
Skids
Posts: 9909
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:46 am
Location: ANZAC day 2019 with Dad.
Has liked: 26 times
Been liked: 34 times

Post by Skids »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rotch.html

Muslim man stabbed a mother and her 3 daughters in a French holiday resort because "her husband offended him by scratching his crotch in front of his wife"
Don't count the days, make the days count.
User avatar
Skids
Posts: 9909
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:46 am
Location: ANZAC day 2019 with Dad.
Has liked: 26 times
Been liked: 34 times

Post by Skids »

When It Comes to Islam, Western Leaders Are Liars or Idiots.

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2 ... epage=true
Don't count the days, make the days count.
User avatar
David
Posts: 50564
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:04 pm
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 37 times

Post by David »

No they're not. They're being cautious, which is perfectly appropriate in the wake of such atrocities when the motives are not always known. Would you rather they shoot their mouths off and publicly speculate? That's not what good leaders do.

As for the article's reference to Bill O'Reilly being a "conservative" (yes, with ironic quotation marks), I think this tells us everything about that writer's agenda that we need to know.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
Wokko
Posts: 8764
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:04 pm

Post by Wokko »

Did you just Ad Hom the writer without addressing his arguments? David, I'm shocked. See me after class. :lol:
Post Reply