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schuey07 wrote:So at the halfway mark we sit 11-1, a game clear on top with the highest percentage, not playing our best and some on here aren't happy. What else do you want?
Melbourne were in a similar position last year. Winning games but not convincingly against inferior opposition which masked flaws in their game that they were never able to rectify before falling out of the finals quite easily.
That’s why some are not overly happy.
FMD, Cats, Crows, Port,Dockers, Swans, Dons, Blues, Tiges, etc are NOT inferior opposition, far from it, only the Lions beat us, with NO rucks, up at the Gabbatoir. Jeezus, we won by ten ****, what the heck do you people want, NO team goes thru a match 100% with the pedal on the metal, they have lapses, we have depth now, top of the tree with great %, stop this negativity, it aint healthy.
I'm with you, the team can't do any more. I think a lot of people have unrealistic expectations. As you said we won by 10 goals, what more do you want. We are doing what we need to do in June, we don’t have to play finals football and show our hand right now.
I said in the gameday thread that we would kick six goals in the last and smash them and we did. I’ve seen enough of us to know that we always have energy in the last, while the opposition run out of legs.
It happens every week and still some people complain when we conserve energy over a couple of quarters and let the opposition score a few goals. This game was never in doubt.
slangman wrote:
Melbourne were in a similar position last year. Winning games but not convincingly against inferior opposition which masked flaws in their game that they were never able to rectify before falling out of the finals quite easily.
That’s why some are not overly happy.
FMD, Cats, Crows, Port,Dockers, Swans, Dons, Blues, Tiges, etc are NOT inferior opposition, far from it, only the Lions beat us, with NO rucks, up at the Gabbatoir. Jeezus, we won by ten ****, what the heck do you people want, NO team goes thru a match 100% with the pedal on the metal, they have lapses, we have depth now, top of the tree with great %, stop this negativity, it aint healthy.
I'm with you, the team can't do any more. I think a lot of people have unrealistic expectations. As you said we won by 10 goals, what more do you want. We are doing what we need to do in June, we don’t have to play finals football and show our hand right now.
I said in the gameday thread that we would kick six goals in the last and smash them and we did. I’ve seen enough of us to know that we always have energy in the last, while the opposition run out of legs.
It happens every week and still some people complain when we conserve energy over a couple of quarters and let the opposition score a few goals. This game was never in doubt.
I think what also gets lost in our performances is that it’s the middle of the season and coming into the dead of Winter. Look at the upsets last week when teams really needed to win but they simply couldn’t get it done, despite being favourites.
So what’s our clubs incentive right now ?? Their bodies are all battered, the club is sitting on top of the ladder by a game and they’re drawn to play the 18th team in the comp. I defy anyone to be motivated to want to bust their guts for the entire game. It’s just not normal, particularly for an entire team collective. For those who are looking for us to rewrite the record books every week, try to remember this. If we were to win every game between now and the end of the home aways by a point, we would still finish on top of the ladder.
Costly win, with JDG a definite out but fingers crossed the 9 day break may help those players who have suffered an injury & if not hopefully we have some others stepping up to the plate.
Yesterdays game was stressful, however, every time WCE got a goal, we snagged one back & kept them at arms length, in the end, we won comfortably of course which made me happy, I do feel a little flat today though with the injuries to key players, we’ll see.
I’d love to beat MEL on KB, hopefully with only JDG is missing.
WE WERE ROBBED, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MEEE!
What'sinaname wrote:He needs to do more of the ugly stuff, like chase and tackle, and if not, he needs to kick more goals.
Hill is kicking goals and Elliot and McCreery apply a tonne of pressure even when he's not kicking goals.
There were a few moments when Ginni was just jogging which wont look good in the review.
If you haven't worked it out yet, jogging is his top speed, that's his problem. You'll never see him carry the ball, all his goals are split second snaps. He's a great snap for goal as he's used to getting tackled due to a lack of pace.
I suspect he's better in wet or greasy conditions and the perfect fast deck of Optus Stadium did him no favours.
I can jog, anyone can jog, footy is about running from contest to contest to contest, Noble excels at it each week and hence keeps getting games despite his clear limitations.
The bloke is not match fit
"You hate a mean man, a grasping man, a man who wants everything and gives nothing. That’s Collingwood. They are a law unto themselves"
Western Australia is normally a daunting state to win games of footy, but on Saturday, premiership favourites Collingwood cashed in to outclass West Coast at Optus Stadium by 63 points. The opening term saw a stranglehold for 20 minutes before the Magpies kicked clear to establish a 24-point lead at quarter time. The second quarter was a quarter of two halves, with the Pies increasing their lead out to 43 points, before the Eagles hit back with momentum to cut the margin to 26 points. In the third term, West Coast surged back into the game, before the Woods capitalised on their opportunities in the backend of the quarter to restore their lead of 26 points heading into the final change at three quarter time. As soon as the last quarter commenced, Collingwood put the foot down and pinned the ears back to put the Eagles away with imposing and ruthless style to conclude the contest as winners by 63 points, and maintain their place at the top of the AFL ladder with no signs of slowing down in the foreseeable future anytime soon.
Collingwood won their statistical categories from indicators such as intercept possessions by +7 (60 - 53), +29 for hit-outs (52 - 23), tackles were won by +19 ( 67 - 48 ), while contested marks had a margin of +2 (13 - 11), Marks Inside 50 were up by +9 (14 - 5), and Inside 50s had an advantage of +1 (56 - 55). West Coast won the vast majority of the key statistical indicators with gains in disposals by +53 (392 - 339), kicks had a margin of +15 (224 - 209), handballs were won by +38 (168 - 130), while contested possessions had a differential of +8 (132 - 124), and +46 for uncontested possessions (249 - 203). Clearances were up by +10 (43 - 33), with centre clearances won by +5 (17 - 12), and stoppage clearances also had a differential of +5 (26 - 21). Tackles Inside 50 were won by +7 (12 - 5), while marks had a margin of +12 (107 - 95), and +14 for uncontested marks (96 - 82).
Tom Mitchell (30 disposals @ 63%, 350 metres gained, 15 uncontested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 20 handballs, 13 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 1 goal) got heavily involved in transition chains where he gave the ball off by hand to his team's runners at all times. Mitchell was equally prolific with his contested ball work at ground level, tackling numbers were through the roof, and he drifted forward to impact the scoreboard with a classy goal in the second quarter.
Taylor Adams (23 disposals @ 83%, 481 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 9 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 4 goal assists, 11 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 1 goal) spent the bulk of his time in the midfield with stints up forward on the weekend with significant scoreboard creativity. Adams also became a marking option for his teammates at all times, and capped his game off with an excellent goal from outside 50, which added value to his team's scoring profile.
Darcy Cameron (23 disposals @ 74%, 263 metres gained, 31 hit-outs, 15 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 11 handballs, 7 marks, 3 contested marks, 1 goal assist, 11 score involvements, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 3 Rebound 50s) competed strongly in ruck contests, gave his team a focal point around the ground to clunk marks and won his own ball at ground level, while contributing immensely to scoring chains to heighten his game to a high standard.
Josh Daicos (21 disposals @ 57%, 344 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) provided and produced territory with each possession, and ran into open space to take marks before moving the ball on.
Scott Pendlebury (21 disposals @ 81%, 311 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 11 handballs, 6 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 7 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) created scoring forays from the midfield, took marks to settle the tempo, and waxed with Nick Daicos, where both of them looked out for each other by linking up with handpasses when Collingwood were surging forward from defence in transition plays.
Jordan De Goey (19 disposals @ 63%, 401 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 9 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 tackles, 2 goal assists, 7 score involvements, 2 clearances & 6 Inside 50s) got into strife with his bump on Elijah Hewett in the opening term, which has seen De Goey being sent directly to the tribunal. De Goey played a supporting role, where he was involved in scoring chains and produced forward entries.
Nick Daicos (30 disposals @ 70%, 626 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 25 uncontested possessions, 17 kicks, 13 handballs, 3 tackles, 9 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s, 6 Rebound 50s & 3 goals) was prolific, clinical and effective in setting up Collingwood's victory with surgical ball use, daring runs through the wings and corridor, before finishing his work off in a highly accurate manner with three majors.
Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 83%, 452 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 3 handballs, 11 marks, 7 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 7 Rebound 50s) was immensely excellent with his aerial judgement of marks behind the ball in defence, before kicking the ball accurately and effectively to the team's advantage, and contributed in scoring chains.
John Noble (17 disposals @ 88%, 466 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 3 handballs, 4 marks, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances & 5 Rebound 50s) maintained possession accurately and effectively, and got involved in ball movement that resulted in scoring opportunities.
Jack Crisp (16 disposals @ 88%, 313 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 7 tackles, 1 goal assist, 7 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) broke lines from defence with his leg speed, kicking and handball receives through the corridor which allowed Collingwood to maintain speed on the ball and the contest. Crisp got the ball rolling in the opening term with Collingwood's first goal.
Darcy Moore (16 disposals @ 88%, 373 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) maintained possession accurately and effectively, while marking and score involvements were at a good or high level, which allowed the team to function seamlessly.
Nathan Murphy (14 disposals @ 86%, 124 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 7 handballs, 8 marks, 5 tackles, 5 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) started the game like a house on fire with 7 possessions and 5 marks to be Collingwood's best player at quarter time. Murphy stuck to his limitations for the remainder of the game. Murphy is an unheralded defender that plays fearless and tough footy at all times.
Brody Mihocek (15 disposals @ 67%, 457 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 14 kicks, 11 marks, 5 contested marks, 7 Marks Inside 50, 2 goal assists, 11 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 3 goals) proved to be a decisive factor up forward with several pack marks, scoring creativity, and converted most of his opportunities.
Mason Cox (14 disposals @ 64%, 317 metres gained, 21 hit-outs, 10 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 2 handballs, 6 marks, 2 contested marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) lit the game up with two goals in the opening half of the contest, while providing an excellent foil to Darcy Cameron in the ruck to give his midfielders opportunities to gather the ball at ground level. Cox was also able to maintain his marking prowess, which is his biggest strength.
Ash Johnson (9 disposals @ 100%, 132 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 1 goal assist, 9 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 3 goals) had all of his possessions result in a score which was highly significant, and took his chances when they were there to be kicked in a very effective outing for him.
Harvey Harrison (8 disposals @ 75%, 179 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 3 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) was very lively on debut with manic pressure and energy up forward. Harrison was stiff to not kick a goal in the opening term, but made sure of it with a composed set shot in the second quarter to boot his first AFL goal.
Bobby Hill (6 disposals @ 83%, 219 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 2 marks, 5 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 5 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 3 goals) showed his dash and leg speed to burn off his opponents and convert his opportunities, while worrying West Coast's defence with his tackling and frenetic pressure.
Collingwood's next game will be against Melbourne on June 12 at the MCG. This match looms as a potential Grand Final preview, with the Demons having a point to prove, while the Magpies will be looking to flex their muscles on King's Birthday. The Woods will need to know what their solution is in the absence of Jordan De Goey in the immediate future, while welcoming key players such as Patrick Lipinski, Jamie Elliott and Daniel McStay back into the fold. Beau McCreery and Will Hoskin-Elliott remain possibilities to play, but remain highly unlikely to play. The key to knocking off the Dees is nullifying their imposing midfield group, which includes Brodie Grundy playing against Collingwood for the first time in his career, in tandem with Max Gawn. Darcy Cameron and Mason Cox need to match Gawn & Grundy aerially and work them over at centre bounces, and stoppages around the ground. Ball use in general play will be equally vital, as long bombs to Steven May or Jake Lever as the spare defender are off limits unless they're both manned up. If one of them remains as the spare defender behind the ball, handball chains with short kicks will keep them guessing and increase the odds of Collingwood prevailing by a comfortable margin.
