In other news, Humpty Dumpty falls off wall. IS claims responsibility.
This is good news for Le Pen, I should think. Poor France.
Terror attacks by Islamist groups
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stui magpie
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A thought.
Does the rise of right wing politics actually helping ISIS long term game? (that's assuming they have one, but bear with me)
ISIS desired outcome is a world wide caliphate under Sharia rule.
To achieve that, there's several ways apart from traditional terrorism or warfare. One is my immigration. Stock other countries with hostile Mulsims.
Now, that only works if the dislocated muslims are actually hostile and sympathisers to the ISIS cause, which, to be fair, the vast majority aren't. Apart from the occasional idiot with some loose wiring, the majority of Muslims do want to live peacefully. A number just have different ideas about what that means to what we would.
So, if you can't persuade by marketing the idea of joining ISIS to all the Muslims out there, what's another option? Answer, make non muslims distrust muslims by planned terrorism and also taking credit for every act you can that stokes the fires. Turn Muslims into pariahs in their adopted countries and force them into becoming sympathetic to ISIS. Us against them mentality, psychology at it's most basic.
now this assumes that someone in the head of ISIS is playing the long game and, it's potentially working. Not in this generation or even the next but possibly the next?.
Going to be fascinating to see how it plays out.
Does the rise of right wing politics actually helping ISIS long term game? (that's assuming they have one, but bear with me)
ISIS desired outcome is a world wide caliphate under Sharia rule.
To achieve that, there's several ways apart from traditional terrorism or warfare. One is my immigration. Stock other countries with hostile Mulsims.
Now, that only works if the dislocated muslims are actually hostile and sympathisers to the ISIS cause, which, to be fair, the vast majority aren't. Apart from the occasional idiot with some loose wiring, the majority of Muslims do want to live peacefully. A number just have different ideas about what that means to what we would.
So, if you can't persuade by marketing the idea of joining ISIS to all the Muslims out there, what's another option? Answer, make non muslims distrust muslims by planned terrorism and also taking credit for every act you can that stokes the fires. Turn Muslims into pariahs in their adopted countries and force them into becoming sympathetic to ISIS. Us against them mentality, psychology at it's most basic.
now this assumes that someone in the head of ISIS is playing the long game and, it's potentially working. Not in this generation or even the next but possibly the next?.
Going to be fascinating to see how it plays out.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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^ I doubt ISIS are rational enough to have along term strategy - they seem to be driven more by a Hitler-ish hatred and resentment - but undoubtedly the mobilisation of the substantial Muslim minority in our country is helpful to them. It is possible that this mobilisation will occur almost regardless, as every group in society can, and will, find grievances in this age of discontent.
It is why we should be very careful to protect and support the many law-abiding Muslims who are lawfully in our country now, while discouraging Islamic immigration in the future until Islam ceases to be the motive force in most global terrorism. Somehow this perfectly rational policy has come to be regarded as extreme, because the militant pro-Islam minority shout so loudly. Fortunately, the majority, who are not racist towards groups that do not do harm, are increasingly unafraid of the mindless racism chant. This is progress. We should perhaps be pleased that the Islamic terror phenomenon has boiled up now, while our Muslim population is 5-8%, and not 25% - at which point a civil war would have been a risk.
It is why we should be very careful to protect and support the many law-abiding Muslims who are lawfully in our country now, while discouraging Islamic immigration in the future until Islam ceases to be the motive force in most global terrorism. Somehow this perfectly rational policy has come to be regarded as extreme, because the militant pro-Islam minority shout so loudly. Fortunately, the majority, who are not racist towards groups that do not do harm, are increasingly unafraid of the mindless racism chant. This is progress. We should perhaps be pleased that the Islamic terror phenomenon has boiled up now, while our Muslim population is 5-8%, and not 25% - at which point a civil war would have been a risk.
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^ whereas every government that is elected on a pro-Muslim platform is a win as well ? You will say, I suppose, that tolerance is not the same as a pro-Muslim platform, but as long as "tolerance" is equated with a rising proportion of the Muslim population in our country via immigration, it is pro-Muslim as a matter of logic and practice. We need to break the link between tolerance of those who are here (good) and further Islamisation via immigration (a really bad idea).
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I tend to agree, even considering p4S comments about home grown terrorists.Mugwump wrote:^ whereas every government that is elected on a pro-Muslim platform is a win as well ? You will say, I suppose, that tolerance is not the same as a pro-Muslim platform, but as long as "tolerance" is equated with a rising proportion of the Muslim population in our country via immigration, it is pro-Muslim as a matter of logic and practice. We need to break the link between tolerance of those who are here (good) and further Islamisation via immigration (a really bad idea).
We should minimise immigration from Muslim countries and for those versions of Islam that tend toward radicalisation and non assimilation.
Focus on the ones we have here already, by setting clear boundaries of what's reasonable and what's not, support them within those boundaries and take action on those who go outside them.
We expect everyone to follow Australian law and act in accordance with Australian values.
Examples,
if someone wants to wear chador or whatever, no dramas, but there are limits (like court, banks, and other places where visual identification is required)
Setting aside a prayer room so Muslims can pray during work time, no dramas
Diluting Christmas and other religious holidays so as not to offend Muslims, not on. Deal with it.
Stop pissing around trying not to cause offence with day to day things that are part of the culture and every other nationality and religion seem to cope with and focus on the bigger things.
This is how we do stuff here. That expectation needs to be clear.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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Worth a look. We have similar stuff regularly in the U.K, but on a worse scale in more places. It started, over here, with the Rushdie outrage.
Who voted for this in our society ? Via what mandate did our politicians plant this seed of Arab absolutism, hatred and division in our nation of law and liberty ?
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