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robfyffe
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| BEAMER09 wrote: | Message to Collingwood ALL coaches
Cloke’s Kicking Action - Analysis for Correction -
1. His shoulders are not square on approach to goal.
2. His left shoulder falls away when left hand is released – mainly causes ball to go left of target (this is partly due to the fact that he leans too far back).
3. His hips are not square either – he has a tendency to slightly rotate the left hip inwards which causes the ball to go right. This seems to happen more so when he accelerates his left leg more than he should when kicking for goal.
4. On approach to goal, he leans too far back – must be a bit more upright and this can alleviate the above problems as his shoulders and hips will be more square to the ground and less margin for error. And his left arm needs to be a bit more more relaxed.
5. His right foot must not be planted either as it should be flexible enough to adjust while in motion of kicking with his left foot. Having the right foot planted you become static and can cause problems with shoulders and hips as outlined (being flexible allows fluent kicking action and follow through).
6. His biggest issue is his left leg. If you think of a pendulum, it mainly swings up and down in pretty much a straight line. With Cloke, his left leg becomes ‘cocked’ at the knee and more so with his left ankle which makes goal kicking that little bit harder because as the left leg follows through to kick the ball, the cocking of the leg/ankle has to straighten up when impact is made with the ball. As that being Cloke’s kicking style and even if the above 5 steps were corrected, he would still have that slight problem kicking for goal due to his ‘cocking’ but atleast he will have a better goal return than he currently has now (needs to correct the ‘cocking’ and thats won't be easy).
7. The other minor issue that I can see is his approach to kicking for goal. As they say, the way you line up to goal is the way the ball will travel. Looking at Cloke, even though it appears he gets his kicking actions right at times and all looks good, his approach to goal is not in a direct line as it looks, therefore, the ball will travel in the line you have taken (that’s easy to correct). With Cloke being a left footer, he should line up between the inside left goal post and the centre of the goals as you have to allow a little bit of left to right generated by his kicking style providing the above steps are met.
You can work on the above to correct your kicking actions. It doesn’t guarantee you 100% (nothing does) but the return will be much higher than it currently is. Basically, it’s no different to a golf swing and if the stance and rhythm aren’t right, neither is the swing. |
That has to be one of the most informative posts I've read on the whole of the FRIGGIN Internet
Good play mate. Super post
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| Have a sneaky suspicion his kicking woes are due to his mental state i.e. at the start of the year he seemed to be enjoying life and was very enthusiastic on the field but lately his demeanour has changed for the worst significantly IMO. |
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Troppo
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Pretty much, BEAMER09 has got it spot on re Trav's kicking-for-goal issues.
So often we have seen him, and hear the commentators say about him, dropping the pill too high resulting in him making contact with his instep rather than the toe or lower lacing. Result = waywardness. Has to be.
Yes the main game needs to be won in his mind.
I was always a great fan of Tim Gallwey's little book called the 'Inner Game of Golf' and I see there is now stuff out on Football too (the round ball game, of course), but if you examaine the parameters involved, what Gallwey is on about is so close to Trav's issues it's not funny.
What is The Inner Game?
“There is always an inner game being played in your mind no matter what outer game you are playing. How you play this game usually makes the difference between success and failure.” -Tim Gallwey
Check out http://theinnergame.com/.
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BEAMER09
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thanks for the feedback robfyffe and Troppo.
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Jezza 
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| robfyffe wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | Message to Collingwood ALL coaches
Cloke’s Kicking Action - Analysis for Correction -
1. His shoulders are not square on approach to goal.
2. His left shoulder falls away when left hand is released – mainly causes ball to go left of target (this is partly due to the fact that he leans too far back).
3. His hips are not square either – he has a tendency to slightly rotate the left hip inwards which causes the ball to go right. This seems to happen more so when he accelerates his left leg more than he should when kicking for goal.
4. On approach to goal, he leans too far back – must be a bit more upright and this can alleviate the above problems as his shoulders and hips will be more square to the ground and less margin for error. And his left arm needs to be a bit more more relaxed.
5. His right foot must not be planted either as it should be flexible enough to adjust while in motion of kicking with his left foot. Having the right foot planted you become static and can cause problems with shoulders and hips as outlined (being flexible allows fluent kicking action and follow through).
6. His biggest issue is his left leg. If you think of a pendulum, it mainly swings up and down in pretty much a straight line. With Cloke, his left leg becomes ‘cocked’ at the knee and more so with his left ankle which makes goal kicking that little bit harder because as the left leg follows through to kick the ball, the cocking of the leg/ankle has to straighten up when impact is made with the ball. As that being Cloke’s kicking style and even if the above 5 steps were corrected, he would still have that slight problem kicking for goal due to his ‘cocking’ but atleast he will have a better goal return than he currently has now (needs to correct the ‘cocking’ and thats won't be easy).
7. The other minor issue that I can see is his approach to kicking for goal. As they say, the way you line up to goal is the way the ball will travel. Looking at Cloke, even though it appears he gets his kicking actions right at times and all looks good, his approach to goal is not in a direct line as it looks, therefore, the ball will travel in the line you have taken (that’s easy to correct). With Cloke being a left footer, he should line up between the inside left goal post and the centre of the goals as you have to allow a little bit of left to right generated by his kicking style providing the above steps are met.
You can work on the above to correct your kicking actions. It doesn’t guarantee you 100% (nothing does) but the return will be much higher than it currently is. Basically, it’s no different to a golf swing and if the stance and rhythm aren’t right, neither is the swing. |
That has to be one of the most informative posts I've read on the whole of the FRIGGIN Internet
Good play mate. Super post |
Totally agree. That's an amazing post 
It's time for Beamer09 to be hired by Collingwood to become Cloke's new forward coach 
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Underdog
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| Beast wrote: | | Have a sneaky suspicion his kicking woes are due to his mental state i.e. at the start of the year he seemed to be enjoying life and was very enthusiastic on the field but lately his demeanour has changed for the worst significantly IMO. |
Who cares Beast ?
Trav gets 1mill a year as a key forward & cant kick, WTF
Why do we keep playing players that cant play the game ? basic skills? |
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Underdog
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Double soz
Last edited by Underdog on Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:21 am; edited 2 times in total |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR
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| I have no doubt his kicking can be improved - It's up to Cloke. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Cool. I have a birthday on 2001. |
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roar
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His technique is deplorable but unfortunately, he doesn't seem to want to work the extra amount needed to correct things. I cannot think of any other reason this has not been corrected over the last 5 years or more.
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BEAMER09
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| Jezza wrote: | | robfyffe wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | Message to Collingwood ALL coaches
Cloke’s Kicking Action - Analysis for Correction -
1. His shoulders are not square on approach to goal.
2. His left shoulder falls away when left hand is released – mainly causes ball to go left of target (this is partly due to the fact that he leans too far back).
3. His hips are not square either – he has a tendency to slightly rotate the left hip inwards which causes the ball to go right. This seems to happen more so when he accelerates his left leg more than he should when kicking for goal.
4. On approach to goal, he leans too far back – must be a bit more upright and this can alleviate the above problems as his shoulders and hips will be more square to the ground and less margin for error. And his left arm needs to be a bit more more relaxed.
5. His right foot must not be planted either as it should be flexible enough to adjust while in motion of kicking with his left foot. Having the right foot planted you become static and can cause problems with shoulders and hips as outlined (being flexible allows fluent kicking action and follow through).
6. His biggest issue is his left leg. If you think of a pendulum, it mainly swings up and down in pretty much a straight line. With Cloke, his left leg becomes ‘cocked’ at the knee and more so with his left ankle which makes goal kicking that little bit harder because as the left leg follows through to kick the ball, the cocking of the leg/ankle has to straighten up when impact is made with the ball. As that being Cloke’s kicking style and even if the above 5 steps were corrected, he would still have that slight problem kicking for goal due to his ‘cocking’ but atleast he will have a better goal return than he currently has now (needs to correct the ‘cocking’ and thats won't be easy).
7. The other minor issue that I can see is his approach to kicking for goal. As they say, the way you line up to goal is the way the ball will travel. Looking at Cloke, even though it appears he gets his kicking actions right at times and all looks good, his approach to goal is not in a direct line as it looks, therefore, the ball will travel in the line you have taken (that’s easy to correct). With Cloke being a left footer, he should line up between the inside left goal post and the centre of the goals as you have to allow a little bit of left to right generated by his kicking style providing the above steps are met.
You can work on the above to correct your kicking actions. It doesn’t guarantee you 100% (nothing does) but the return will be much higher than it currently is. Basically, it’s no different to a golf swing and if the stance and rhythm aren’t right, neither is the swing. |
That has to be one of the most informative posts I've read on the whole of the FRIGGIN Internet
Good play mate. Super post |
Totally agree. That's an amazing post
It's time for Beamer09 to be hired by Collingwood to become Cloke's new forward coach |
Would love the challenge and would be free.
Also, correction to point 4. His right arm should be relaxed (not left as I indicated in error). His right arm is almost rigid and it should be relaxed to square up his shoulders which will help his hips and approach to goal.
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Jezza
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| BEAMER09 wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | robfyffe wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | Message to Collingwood ALL coaches
Cloke’s Kicking Action - Analysis for Correction -
1. His shoulders are not square on approach to goal.
2. His left shoulder falls away when left hand is released – mainly causes ball to go left of target (this is partly due to the fact that he leans too far back).
3. His hips are not square either – he has a tendency to slightly rotate the left hip inwards which causes the ball to go right. This seems to happen more so when he accelerates his left leg more than he should when kicking for goal.
4. On approach to goal, he leans too far back – must be a bit more upright and this can alleviate the above problems as his shoulders and hips will be more square to the ground and less margin for error. And his left arm needs to be a bit more more relaxed.
5. His right foot must not be planted either as it should be flexible enough to adjust while in motion of kicking with his left foot. Having the right foot planted you become static and can cause problems with shoulders and hips as outlined (being flexible allows fluent kicking action and follow through).
6. His biggest issue is his left leg. If you think of a pendulum, it mainly swings up and down in pretty much a straight line. With Cloke, his left leg becomes ‘cocked’ at the knee and more so with his left ankle which makes goal kicking that little bit harder because as the left leg follows through to kick the ball, the cocking of the leg/ankle has to straighten up when impact is made with the ball. As that being Cloke’s kicking style and even if the above 5 steps were corrected, he would still have that slight problem kicking for goal due to his ‘cocking’ but atleast he will have a better goal return than he currently has now (needs to correct the ‘cocking’ and thats won't be easy).
7. The other minor issue that I can see is his approach to kicking for goal. As they say, the way you line up to goal is the way the ball will travel. Looking at Cloke, even though it appears he gets his kicking actions right at times and all looks good, his approach to goal is not in a direct line as it looks, therefore, the ball will travel in the line you have taken (that’s easy to correct). With Cloke being a left footer, he should line up between the inside left goal post and the centre of the goals as you have to allow a little bit of left to right generated by his kicking style providing the above steps are met.
You can work on the above to correct your kicking actions. It doesn’t guarantee you 100% (nothing does) but the return will be much higher than it currently is. Basically, it’s no different to a golf swing and if the stance and rhythm aren’t right, neither is the swing. |
That has to be one of the most informative posts I've read on the whole of the FRIGGIN Internet
Good play mate. Super post |
Totally agree. That's an amazing post
It's time for Beamer09 to be hired by Collingwood to become Cloke's new forward coach |
Would love the challenge and would be free.
Also, correction to point 4. His right arm should be relaxed (not left as I indicated in error). His right arm is almost rigid and it should be relaxed to square up his shoulders which will help his hips and approach to goal. |
I'd literally send this to the club if I were you.
It's one of the most insightful and informative posts I have ever read on this forum.
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Underdog
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| Cloke Cant kick, its real simple |
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woftam 
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure.
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| Who is teaching goal kicking down there? We are not improving that's for sure. It seems we don't take it seriously enough to have an expert drill our players in the correct technique. |
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