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35forever
"I feel sick - dada dada dada da"
Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Location: Physical=Sunshine Coast -- Mental=Vic Park
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ad4eva wrote: | One thing not considered here, when comparing this premiership side to previous ones is how different the landscape of player movement has changed, even in the past 3-4 years player movement across the entire competition has vastly grown. |
Yep, another of Pigboy Demetrious many crimes. Free agency has made loyalty & 'one club players' an endangered species. The people this hurts most are the kids. Who here didn't have posters or clippings of their faves on their bedroom walls. I had pictures from the 'Sun' of Shaw, Daics, Kink, and Moore. Nowadays you'd hafta change every year. It wouldn’tbe that hard to imagine a kid having posters of Brown, Marsh, & Tooves up, now they have to change. My nephew loved Wayne Carey (yes, I failed to convert him, but not for lack of trying), and went to most North games. After Carey left he all but lost interest in footy, both watching, supporting & playing. He was a gun at 12, now he's 18 and a single figure golfer.
How could this corporatisation of the game be good??? We're alienating kids, If you'd told me last week that Mitchell & Lewis weren't Hawks, and that O'Meara & Tom Mitchell were. I'd be stunned - and not happy! Thanks Pigboy, you did it. Money is everything, loyalty - from both clubs & players, is gone. Yay! _________________ "If at first you dont succeed...
... oh who cares, we did it!!!!!"
-me, 2010
"The pies are going to the big dance!"-P.Daicos 2010
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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RudeBoy wrote: | ... That's pretty much unheard of from my recollection. That's what happens when a team like ours under performs so badly. |
Something is wrong when more players are leaving us than Carlton.
In reality though, Marsh is the only real loss [pending].
All the others were ageing like milk, and/or plodding away in the VFL.
I hope Frost reconsiders though, he suddenly has the club over a barrel.
And Swan's premature demise was a tragic accident, so can't really count him amongst the cull/exodus. _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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Cam
Nick's BB Member #166
Joined: 10 May 2002 Location: Springvale
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14 out of 44 is a large number. Didn't Malthouse cut like a dozen in 2000? _________________ Get back on top. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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This is the list of exits from our playing group this year:
Swan
Caff
Tooves
Brown
Goodyear
Plus probably:
Cloke
Frost
Witts
Marsh
Gault
And possibly:
Williams
Greenwood
If these all eventuate, then that makes a turnover of 12 players, which I can't ever recall taking place before. Of those, only Greenwood and Williams would be any great loss, so all in all I'm excited at the possibilities such a big turnover provides. |
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STOKA35
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Mount Barker. South Australia
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How many grand final players left from the st. kilda team? And how many Geelong premiership players left from 2011? |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Location: We prefer free speech - you know it's right
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Doesn't make up for the 'in-house' blunders we've been churning out for repeated years... look maybe bucks will grow a little bit of sensitivity, or maybe get a little smarter in his game plan (with a little help from friends..), who knows?!?
Most people are agreed... we will have to improve this next year, and I think its a given, but by how much? And will it just be a token lift? One without any real long term substance.. these are the questions we need to ask ourselves, as a club. |
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sixpoints
Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Lulie Street
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STOKA35 wrote: | How many grand final players left from the st. kilda team? And how many Geelong premiership players left from 2011? |
From the StK side we beat in the 2010 Granny, they have Dempster, Gilbert, Reiwoldt, Montagna & Fisher still playing for them. So they have 5 left.
From Geelong's side in the Granny of 2011, they still have Duncan, Hawkins, Lonegan, Mackie, Selwood & Taylor (not counting Bartel whose retirement seems imminent). So they have 6 left.
So I guess we are on-trend with our recent Grand Final rivals. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Useful things, facts. thanks. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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September Zeros
Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Location: Behind you
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | Doesn't make up for the 'in-house' blunders we've been churning out for repeated years... look maybe bucks will grow a little bit of sensitivity, or maybe get a little smarter in his game plan (with a little help from friends..), who knows?!?
Most people are agreed... we will have to improve this next year, and I think its a given, but by how much? And will it just be a token lift? One without any real long term substance.. these are the questions we need to ask ourselves, as a club. |
Why is improvement a given?
Perhaps rather than just natural history, improvement will come because that's is what the club has been building and developing over the last few years.
Just a thought.
I guess the thinking is the deployment of a few "safety nets" of opinion now will give some posters an easy landing if 2017 does turn around.
Unfortunately for yourself and others you have well over committed to your cause ..... _________________ No Pressure, No Diamonds
They used to be a happy team at hawthorn.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Location: We prefer free speech - you know it's right
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Nah I just we think have a slightly better list, we'll never challenge for a premiership under Bucks watch. Sorry.... my opinion only of course, but in my opinion for him to coach a flag... he'd need a walk up start list, which we are no where near. He just doesn't have the tactical flexibility within him nor the people skills to ever get the job done. Happy to be burned if it ever comes to pass,k but it won't.
Slight improvement only, no real capacity to win a flag, ever. |
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STOKA35
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Mount Barker. South Australia
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sixpoints wrote: | STOKA35 wrote: | How many grand final players left from the st. kilda team? And how many Geelong premiership players left from 2011? |
From the StK side we beat in the 2010 Granny, they have Dempster, Gilbert, Reiwoldt, Montagna & Fisher still playing for them. So they have 5 left.
From Geelong's side in the Granny of 2011, they still have Duncan, Hawkins, Lonegan, Mackie, Selwood & Taylor (not counting Bartel whose retirement seems imminent). So they have 6 left.
So I guess we are on-trend with our recent Grand Final rivals. |
Well there you go so what is the fuss about |
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Joined: 05 May 2010
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not many rookies make it into a grand final team and not many players have 10 year careers. If you assume most of the players who have 10 year careers are likely in their prime when they win a flag, its entirely understandable that few premiership lplayers would still be at a club 6 years later.
The thing that is remarkable is that people still judge this team as if they are a premiership caliber team not performing. That hasnt been the case for years...... _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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Donny
Formerly known as MAGFAN8.
Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Location: Toonumbar NSW Australia
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STOKA35 wrote: | How many grand final players left from the st. kilda team? And how many Geelong premiership players left from 2011? |
Exactly.
Get over it. 2010 was six years ago !! _________________ Donny.
It's a game. Enjoy it. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Location: Bendigo
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Cam wrote: | 14 out of 44 is a large number. Didn't Malthouse cut like a dozen in 2000? |
14 out of 46 actually |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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Blah; trying to recall them all....
Brown, Crosisca, Orchard, Patterson, Oleranshaw, Williams, Jacotine, Watson, Clarke, Oborne, S.Rocca and Mal Michael.
Who did I miss? _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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