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Piesnchess
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| ROB wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | BHPIE wrote: | | It wouldn't matter WHO was in our fwdline, the way we move the ball is pathetic, backwards or sideways , ring a ring a rosy overuse of handballs, the first this our players do is look BACK or sideways, if they spend that effort just going fwd ,long and quickly, this team would be in the 8, but they dont , the players are just following instructions, because lm sure if the coaches said ,continually keep goin backwards you're playing in the VFL, it would stop , obviously there ARE times its needed, but not the ridiculous amount of times we do we do allowing defenders n mids to flood our fwdline |
We move the ball just fine. Our mids aren't the problem. It's the forwards (minus Elliot who hasn't been there) that are the problem. |
Although it could be said that the delivery from the mids is somewhat erratic and at times too fast for our forwards (setup etc) to react and make the most of. Not sure we have a clear answer anywhere at the moment. |
In nearly all our games this season, we have far more inside fifties than our opponents, far more, so the mids are pretty damn good. yes, the trouble is, we get the damn pill up there heaps, but theres no bastard there to mark it or kick goals, and mostly it just bounces straight back out again, for no score at all. Our forward line is our weakest link, which is why we must get sam reid to the Pies next season, and use our first draft pick on a big, mobile KPP forward, come hell or high water. 
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Adam Treloar 3 Votes wrote: | ^ Inxs
Isn't it amazing that you always seem to post your "blind Freddy could have seen" items after the event? It's easy to be clever in hindsight.
Suggest you give your next "blind Freddy" predictions before it has actually happened to add some credibility to your claims. |
You've been on Nick's since May 2017 so I'll give you a hall pass on my 20 previous Nostradamus predictions that have ALL come true!
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | ROB wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | BHPIE wrote: | | It wouldn't matter WHO was in our fwdline, the way we move the ball is pathetic, backwards or sideways , ring a ring a rosy overuse of handballs, the first this our players do is look BACK or sideways, if they spend that effort just going fwd ,long and quickly, this team would be in the 8, but they dont , the players are just following instructions, because lm sure if the coaches said ,continually keep goin backwards you're playing in the VFL, it would stop , obviously there ARE times its needed, but not the ridiculous amount of times we do we do allowing defenders n mids to flood our fwdline |
We move the ball just fine. Our mids aren't the problem. It's the forwards (minus Elliot who hasn't been there) that are the problem. |
Although it could be said that the delivery from the mids is somewhat erratic and at times too fast for our forwards (setup etc) to react and make the most of. Not sure we have a clear answer anywhere at the moment. |
In nearly all our games this season, we have far more inside fifties than our opponents, far more, so the mids are pretty damn good. yes, the trouble is, we get the damn pill up there heaps, but theres no bastard there to mark it or kick goals, and mostly it just bounces straight back out again, for no score at all. Our forward line is our weakest link, which is why we must get sam reid to the Pies next season, and use our first draft pick on a big, mobile KPP forward, come hell or high water. |
If anyone doesn't believe what you're saying, my answer is look at Jamie Elliot. He scores goals and goal assists every time he plays. A lot of that comes down to exceptional work rate, but nevertheless, if the forwards are good enough, the mids are giving them the opportunity to score goals and so far this year, all except Elliot have not shown they are up to it (apart from the occasional cameos from Fasolo and Moore). |
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BBHS 
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Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: Bellarine
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| Good to see Josh Thomas is starting to regain some form in the 2's. Any chance he could come in?. Reckon Phillips could use a spell to work on a few things. I think Thomas is stronger at the contest and spreads better without the ball is a stronger tackler. Can Also kick a decent running goal. |
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mattys123
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Narre Warren, VIC
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| BBHS wrote: | | Good to see Josh Thomas is starting to regain some form in the 2's. Any chance he could come in?. Reckon Phillips could use a spell to work on a few things. I think Thomas is stronger at the contest and spreads better without the ball is a stronger tackler. Can Also kick a decent running goal. |
Thomas has been OK at VFL level without having an absolute break out game.
Callum Brown was getting more of the ball in the VFL then Thomas was, so he would have to step it up a fair bit to get a game.
One game over 30 possessions might be enough though. I have a feeling the club will want to give Keeffe and Thomas at least one senior game towards the end of the year to see if they are worth keeping for 2018 or not.
Not this week for Josh though.
Varcoe, Cox and Scharenberg are certain ins, and Elliott is a real chance too.
We aren't making 5 changes, despite back to back losses. |
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BBHS
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Fair Point. Just saw Cox's VFL stats, bloody hell he must of got 300 DT points for that effort. |
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mattys123
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Narre Warren, VIC
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| BBHS wrote: | ^
Fair Point. Just saw Cox's VFL stats, bloody hell he must of got 300 DT points for that effort. |
Cox got 174 DT points, Berg 146.
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DT
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Mayne in Crocker out
Varcoe in Brown out
Aside from these it depends on whether Elliott is fit to return and whether they wish to go tall and include Cox. I think it unlikely to make more than three changes as we need continuity.
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| DT wrote: | Mayne in Crocker out
Varcoe in Brown out
Aside from these it depends on whether Elliott is fit to return and whether they wish to go tall and include Cox. I think it unlikely to make more than three changes as we need continuity. |
Let's first win the game with as many changes as required. We'll worry about the continuity later. |
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GoWoodsmen
Joined: 18 Apr 2005
Location: Australia
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| DT wrote: | Mayne in Crocker out
Varcoe in Brown out
Aside from these it depends on whether Elliott is fit to return and whether they wish to go tall and include Cox. I think it unlikely to make more than three changes as we need continuity. |
Add Scharenburg for Langdon as well IMO
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| mattys123 wrote: | | BBHS wrote: | ^
Fair Point. Just saw Cox's VFL stats, bloody hell he must of got 300 DT points for that effort. |
Cox got 174 DT points, Berg 146.
Not bad really. |
In an ideal world you'd like Cox to string a few games like that together, then put him in the AFL team. I 'm not sure we have that time. I'd play him in the AFL this week and leave him there.
See what the selectors do.
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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We all have different opinions to which is the right side to select each week and it's fun to debate the positive and negatives of which players should be in or out.
The only thing we know for sure this week is that Langdon will be out for sure.
Clarkson would have seen what the Grays did to Langdon last week and would have Bruest Gunston Pappy and Scilliy ready to rotate on him and take him deep and expose his defensive frailties.
We may depending on how Varcoe and Elliott come up make up to 4 or 5 changes with maybe Brown being given a rest and possibly playing Cox to really stretch the Hawks defence.
They don't have a real tall defender capable of playing on Cox and after his bag last week he might be full of confidence and right to bring in leaving Moore to play the HHF role and running his man around a merry dance.
If Elliott comes up he could have a field day as they will have to try and find match ups for Cox Moore Faz Elliott & WHE which as a line up with a midfielder playing the 6th forward is a forward line that has goals in it.
Reid needs to stay down back. He just isn't worth risking up forward with his dodgey legs. For some weird reason he breaks down up forward but gets through games down back.
The Hawks like to control the game tempo so we need to run at them and make them work over time they don't have a abundance leg speed so quick ball movement can expose there defence which is pretty ordinary.
I'm actually reasonably confident about our chances here if we get rid of Langdon and can get at least Elliott back in our forward line (there would be a 10 goal,swim to our advantage there with the 5 goals Elliott will add and the 5 goals Langdon won't cost you)
I'm tipping the pies by 30 |
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anyone who has had to play forward knows the added stress on the legs and hips that comes with being a forward rather then a back.......
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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| If we take our time and Broadcast our disposals like we did last week, we best take some Lube (High Temperature Bearing Grease recommended). Which team will show up? The quick moving forward team or the slow move in every direction but forward team? |
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BBHS
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Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: Bellarine
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| Port shut down that movement last week. It wasn't like we try to go backwards. They closed up the middle. We couldn't find a way through. Our handball game through traffic has been better but we couldn't make it happen last week. If hawks employ the same tactic I hope Bucks has made the required adjustments |
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