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Wokko
Come and take it.
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David
to wish impossible things
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Um, maybe? It’s one (fairly imprecise, at that) unproven allegation from two decades ago. If that makes Trudeau a sex pest, what’s that say about the guy in your avatar? Or do “male feminists” deserve a lower standard of proof in your book? _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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Mugwump
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i’d want some standard of proof against Trudeau before I took any claim like this at face value. While such claims should be taken seriously, that does not mean that they have to believed. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Weren't we talking about ”
It’s not information that’s exchanged — in the course of this investigation the ABC learned of five recent cases of Vietnamese organised crime syndicates attempting to import tens of millions of dollars’ worth of cocaine methamphetamine and MDMA from Canada to Australia in foot spas ? I'm confused! |
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David
to wish impossible things
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Skids wrote: | https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1609155679207319&id=796085293847699 |
Good video, wrong thread? _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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HAL wrote: | Weren't we talking about ”
It’s not information that’s exchanged — in the course of this investigation the ABC learned of five recent cases of Vietnamese organised crime syndicates attempting to import tens of millions of dollars’ worth of cocaine methamphetamine and MDMA from Canada to Australia in foot spas ? I'm confused! | Is that your final answer? |
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thesoretoothsayer
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Remember, we must "Believe All Women". Unless, of course, the man is a progressive ally like Trudeau or Bill Clinton. Then the women are lying whores who should just STFU. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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I personally prefer the approach that everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty and that just making allegations against a person and any resulting trial by media shouldn't change that, regardless of the gender of the persons involved.
Unfortunately, people choose to believe innuendo and allegations that suit or fit their personal biases and dismiss those that don't. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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David wrote: | Skids wrote: | https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1609155679207319&id=796085293847699 |
Good video, wrong thread? |
I guess it is. _________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. |
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David
to wish impossible things
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thesoretoothsayer wrote: | Remember, we must "Believe All Women". Unless, of course, the man is a progressive ally like Trudeau or Bill Clinton. Then the women are lying whores who should just STFU. |
Yeah, except that precisely no-one is saying anything like that. Nice straw man. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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thesoretoothsayer
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David wrote: | thesoretoothsayer wrote: | Remember, we must "Believe All Women". Unless, of course, the man is a progressive ally like Trudeau or Bill Clinton. Then the women are lying whores who should just STFU. |
Yeah, except that precisely no-one is saying anything like that. Nice straw man. |
Sure, not in Trudeau's case (yet). But I'm old enough to remember Gloria Steinem's infamous NYTs opinion piece where she basically excused Clinton's behaviour whilst victim-bashing his accusers. The piece has been scrubbed from the NYT archive (surprise!) but a nice commentary can be found here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/
On a smaller scale, here's an interesting article (if you can forgive the obvious political bias) where the standard feminist response to sexual assault allegations has been turned on its head because the accused is a feminist professor: https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/45846/ |
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David
to wish impossible things
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I agree completely that the ‘90s mainstream-liberal response to the allegations against Clinton were poor, and Steinem has been rightfully whacked by contemporary feminists for her shameless partisanship at the time and failure to acknowledge the seriousness of the allegations. But I doubt you’d find anyone on the left willing to defend Clinton today, and I expect – unless the allegations here turn out to be far-fetched or obviously politically motivated, which doesn’t seem to be the case – that most on Trudeau’s side of politics will be taking these allegations very seriously and will be reluctant to dismiss them out of hand. Obviously, otherwise, the fair-minded among us (whatever our political persuasion) will recognise that it’s an unproven allegation, one in which the details are slight, and that it is not (at least at this stage) suggestive of a pattern of predatory behaviour. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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thesoretoothsayer
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Quote: | But I doubt you’d find anyone on the left willing to defend Clinton today | If Hilary was POTUS no one on the left would be talking about Bill.
Quote: | most on Trudeau’s side of politics will be taking these allegations very seriously and will be reluctant to dismiss them out of hand |
Perhaps, we'll see. In politics, tribalism tends to override principles. Let's hope that #MeToo means that principles start winning out. |
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David
to wish impossible things
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