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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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And so it continues, as one of the genuinely model societies of the world for so many years continues to descend into anarchy within a few years of opening itself to mass immigration.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45181321
The “E pluribus unum” ideal may work in a world of rapidly rising economic growth like the US from 1900-1970. The evidence is overwhelming that it is not a good model for a stable, harmonious society in the low-growth West of today. How much evidence will be necessary before ordinary people cry “no more” to their ravenous, distant political and economic elites ? And when they do, given that the craven ordinary conservative parties have so long colluded in the policy, will they continue to turn to the far-right ? Or will people with strong constitutional instincts finally stand up against this desperately stupid policy before it is too late ?
On another note, yet another terror attack in London at the Houses of Parliament. Thank goodness only a few people injured badly, not life threatening. It is but a matter of time before this lovely building and many people in and around it are inevitably reduced to ruins by a truck bomb ? They only have to get organized and lucky once.
What happened to the lovely, broadly united societies we once took for granted ? Why were they annulled, and in whose interests ? _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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pietillidie
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^"Descend into anarchy"? God help us. And you think the word "hysteria" is an effort to silence the truly discerning. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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pietillidie wrote: | ^"Descend into anarchy"? God help us. And you think the word "hysteria" is an effort to silence the truly discerning. |
You described my concern as “hysteria” which it clearly was not. I bit it off having also been accused a few posts earlier of “social panic”, that other great rhetorical device of those who are bereft of an argument.
Most people would consider “anarchy” a perfectly reasonable term for the systematic torching of 100 cars by organized gangs. No misuse of language at all.
Now, feel like addressing the point ? Which is, in a nutshell,that the policies you advocate have made one of the kindest societies on the earth over many years into a place of gangs and riots with a flourishing far-right movement. You really can’t ignore the evidence forever. _________________ Two more flags before I die!
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Pies4shaw
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Ugh. He’s entitled to his views on the WAP (at least prospectively), stupid and unnecessary though they are. But the “final solution” phrase in that context is ugly indeed. I wonder if he really used that phrase with any consciousness of its history? Most Australians brought up in the modern educational era have so little history that it is possible he wasn’t, I suppose.
Regardless, it is either a faux pas of jaw-dropping proportions or he’s really not fit to be a parliamentarian. One would want to look at his other published views to see if he was aware of that connotation. Regardless, hopefully he is defenstrated at the next election on grounds of chauvinist ignorance, if nothing else.
Edit : having now listened to it, the phrase he used was “the final solution to immigration lies in a plebiscite of all Australians”, at the end of a speech where he made some specific proposals for change to immigration policy. Dumb to use the phrase, but no one could credibly claim that he was talking about a Hitlerian “Endlosung”. Unfortunately he has just delivered the immigration zealots an own goal. No doubt they will exult in full and salute the twittermob in the stands, arms aloft as they skid toward them across the turf. Meanwhile, the real issue will churn away outside the stadium, albeit moved a few more meters further away from grown-up debate. _________________ Two more flags before I die!
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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He was driving a Ford Fiesta.
As far as terrorist efforts go it was a pretty lame one. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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^ yeah, I think the bloke that accidentally set himself on fire at Glasgow Airport (and then got kicked in the balls by the locals) about 7 years ago also drove a Ford Fiesta.
Billy Connolly had a really funny skit about a poster of this bloke on fire being kicked in the balls being erected above Glasgow airport under the caption “Glasgow welcomes careful drivers”.
IS might be updating their training manuals. Or maybe when they said “hotwire a bomb”, the local youth misunderstood. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Culprit
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Fraser Anning just stole all the Dumb Nation votes in one speech. Now Pauline will have to do a speech and go even more extreme to win those votes back. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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All? |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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Culprit wrote: | Fraser Anning just stole all the Dumb Nation votes in one speech. Now Pauline will have to do a speech and go even more extreme to win those votes back. |
Amazing how his use of the term final solution has seemingly caused more outrage in some conservative politicians than the bile directed at Muslims that was at the very heart of his speech.
The actual reality is that Anning would very much be the type to support the current right wing Israeli government and his intention wasn't to offend the Jewish people. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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David
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It is tiring that this sort of stuff has become so normalised. Fancy calling for a return to race-based immigration policy, like, ten years ago. We all just shrug at it now. And the Overton Window moves ever slowly rightward. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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thesoretoothsayer
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The question needs to be asked that if Senator Anning (from the Katter Australia Party) believes all immigrants should be European Christians is he planning on deporting the Katter family (Lebanese background)? That might be a bit awkward. |
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Wokko
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Culprit wrote: | Fraser Anning just stole all the Dumb Nation votes in one speech. Now Pauline will have to do a speech and go even more extreme to win those votes back. |
Pauline has actually backed away but the Kat in the hat has doubled down calling it a magnificent speech.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/fraser-anning-s-final-solution-speech-absolutely-magnificent-says-bob-katter-20180815-p4zxme.html
In regard to the Final Solution comment, ole Bob said, Quote: | Mr Katter claimed his senator had "absolutely no idea" the term was used in Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler to describe the genocide of the Jewish people in Europe.
"He didn’t get to a university to know the significance of all these words," Mr Katter said. "He's smart, but he hasn't read all the history books. He doesn't know what any of this means. And nor will he spend any time finding out.
"I'm sick of you lily pad lefties coming at us on some absolutely ridiculous technicality that has nothing to do with the issues."
Mr Katter said his party was resolutely pro-Jewish and wanted to protect Jewish people in Australia from "the persecutors" being brought in from the Middle East under Australia's migration program. |
_________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Wokko
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Gotta love Bob Katter; lily pad lefties I assumed much the same thing about his words, the state of history studies in this country is truly dire and I wouldn't be surprised that someone didn't know the term.
I can't see any reason to bring it up as a dog whistle for neo-nazis; there's no more than a hundred votes in that bloc and anyone would know that it'd detract from whatever his message was.
I'd think his advisers should've picked up on it though. |
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