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What'sinaname
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The more the democRATS push, the more popular Trump gets. The more popular Trump gets, the more the democRATS push. Trump’s election campaign is being funded by his opponent. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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David
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Is there actually any evidence of that? Or does he just have a very loyal base who will stick with him regardless? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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pietillidie
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^I follow American politics closely due to its global implications, but What'sinaname you've apparently gone so far as to even appropriate MAGA insider and meme talk. You clearly have far more to offer in your own right, on your own two feet, than that. You're selling yourself short, surely. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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think positive
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Watched ‘don’t look up’ the other day (sick and bored hubby, random choice) it’s trumpism in a nutshell! Scary shit _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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David wrote: | Is there actually any evidence of that? Or does he just have a very loyal base who will stick with him regardless? |
No of course there isn’t any evidence to prove that.That particular poster is just doing his deluded pro Trump thing as usual.Completely divorced from reality like any other Trumpista.
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David
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I'm not confident enough to say he's obviously wrong, and there are people on the other side of the political spectrum who've said the same thing – that the constant foregrounding of Trump in the media and the legal pursuit of him are increasing public sympathy towards him and boosting his chance of success accordingly.
I'm just curious as to whether there's actually any truth to that, e.g. polling that's suggested that previous undecideds and Biden voters are looking on Trump more favourably since the indictments. My intuitive guess would be the opposite: that outside the bubble of rusted-on Republican Party voters (an increasingly marginal minority), people by and large are getting increasingly tired of this clown show and are keen for some normalcy to return. It's possible that swing voters' equal loathing of Biden and the "demoncrats" gives Trump a shot in a two-horse race, but that's not the same thing as Trump becoming more popular.
(Of course, even if WIAN's hypothesis were correct, that would be no reason not to go after Trump. Justice should be enacted regardless of political consequence.) _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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David,here’s an aggregate of polls on Trump’s favourability ratings with the American people.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
It certainly doesn’t suggest that the indictments are making Trump more popular with the general electorate.They’re only making his rusted on base of crazies more angry than ever. |
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Jezza
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David wrote: | I'm not confident enough to say he's obviously wrong, and there are people on the other side of the political spectrum who've said the same thing – that the constant foregrounding of Trump in the media and the legal pursuit of him are increasing public sympathy towards him and boosting his chance of success accordingly.
I'm just curious as to whether there's actually any truth to that, e.g. polling that's suggested that previous undecideds and Biden voters are looking on Trump more favourably since the indictments. My intuitive guess would be the opposite: that outside the bubble of rusted-on Republican Party voters (an increasingly marginal minority), people by and large are getting increasingly tired of this clown show and are keen for some normalcy to return. It's possible that swing voters' equal loathing of Biden and the "demoncrats" gives Trump a shot in a two-horse race, but that's not the same thing as Trump becoming more popular.
(Of course, even if WIAN's hypothesis were correct, that would be no reason not to go after Trump. Justice should be enacted regardless of political consequence.) |
I think it's clear the Republican base has solidified its support for Trump after the indictments. DeSantis has lost support at the same time as Trump's support has risen amongst Republican voters.
I'm unsure whether Trump has seen an uptick in support from those who identify as "independents". _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 |
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Jezza
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doriswilgus wrote: | David,here’s an aggregate of polls on Trump’s favourability ratings with the American people.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
It certainly doesn’t suggest that the indictments are making Trump more popular with the general electorate.They’re only making his rusted on base of crazies more angry than ever. |
It's not too dissimilar to Biden's favourability numbers. I don't think personal approval ratings is a good metric in predicting overall electoral outcomes.
I'm more curious to see what polls are saying in particular battleground states leading up to the 2024 election. A lot is also dependant on both parties/candidates mobilising their base to turnout. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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think positive
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doriswilgus wrote: | David,here’s an aggregate of polls on Trump’s favourability ratings with the American people.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
It certainly doesn’t suggest that the indictments are making Trump more popular with the general electorate.They’re only making his rusted on base of crazies more angry than ever. |
Crazy that a whopping 39% are still in the favourable camp! They must be nuts, gullible or plain stupid _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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doriswilgus
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think positive wrote: | doriswilgus wrote: | David,here’s an aggregate of polls on Trump’s favourability ratings with the American people.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
It certainly doesn’t suggest that the indictments are making Trump more popular with the general electorate.They’re only making his rusted on base of crazies more angry than ever. |
Crazy that a whopping 39% are still in the favourable camp! They must be nuts, gullible or plain stupid |
Yep,you’ve nailed it,Jo, |
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David
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Move along, nothing to see here.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/trump-interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck
Quote: | Donald Trump says he will lock up his political enemies if he is president again.
In an interview on Tuesday, the rightwing broadcaster Glenn Beck raised Trump’s famous campaign-trail vow to “lock up” Hillary Clinton, his opponent in 2016, a promise Trump did not fulfill in office.
Beck said: “Do you regret not locking [Clinton] up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”
Trump said: “The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us.” |
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Kingsofclutch
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Bill Burr's wife giving Trump the finger at the MMA was hilarious, Xwitter lit up with the usual "that wouldn't happen if he had a white wife" but still worth it and pretty much sums up the right, guns and god but money comes before both and war is very good business. _________________ Flagpies |
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Magpietothemax
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In a campaign speech in New Hampshire last Saturday night, Trump declared his intention to jail or to kill his political opponents if he is returned to the White House. He denounced: "radical left thugs who live like vermin within our country to cheat or steal elections. They will do anything, legal or illegal to destroy America..the real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day, every single day, the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within."
This speech was a carbon copy of Hitler's rants in which he (Hitler) described the Jewish population within Germany as vermin who "poisoned the blood of the nation".
Howevr, the very fact that Trump can continue to campaign freely in the US, indicates the utter political crisis and degeneration of the US two party system. The Democrats know full well that Trump attempted to overthrow the election and the US Constitution, take power and imprison his political opponents on 6 Jan 2021 in a fascist coup. Yet they have not taken any measures whatsoever to hold him to account for his real political crimes. As a result, he is now the most favoured Republican candidate in the 2024 election. What does this show?
It shows that the Democrats have no fundamental oppositon to the imposition of an authoritarian regime either - if they did, then the arrest and trial of Trump on charges of treason would have been their priority from the start.
These two dparties are two sides of the same horrible coin: the descent of US capitalism into dictatorship at home and war abroad.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/14/flpl-n14.html _________________ Free Julian Assange!!
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Magpietothemax
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doriswilgus wrote: | think positive wrote: | doriswilgus wrote: | David,here’s an aggregate of polls on Trump’s favourability ratings with the American people.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
It certainly doesn’t suggest that the indictments are making Trump more popular with the general electorate.They’re only making his rusted on base of crazies more angry than ever. |
Crazy that a whopping 39% are still in the favourable camp! They must be nuts, gullible or plain stupid |
Yep,you’ve nailed it,Jo, |
When Biden is openly backing genocide in Gaza, openly fuelling the war in Ukraine, declaring that UAW striking workers must return to work on contracts that maintain the two tier wage system, impose massive real wage cuts and no let up in exploitative conditions, why would the vast mass of the population see him as an "alternative" ? They would rather stay at home rather than make any effort to vote.
The two party system in the US is collapsing because both parties, Democrates and Republicans have fundamentally the same political program: war abroad, paid for by austerity measures against the workers. Such a program cannot be carried out democratically. _________________ Free Julian Assange!!
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