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Was Sam Kerr's alleged remark Racist? |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Sam Kerr, you know, the female soccer player, is in strife for allegedly calling a cop in England a "stupid white bastard" after a night out on the p155 which apparently saw her upchuck in a taxi. (hands up anyone who hasn't done that in their 20's to early 30s"
Kerr is 1/4 Indian bloodlines, just for the record.
Some people are calling for her to be stripped of the Matildas Captaincy, others are saying it isn't racism because the inherent power imbalance isn't on her side. IDFK either way. My general opinion is it's a person in their early 30's who's been targeted by assholes for being brown and lesbian, had too much to drink and said something they wouldn't normally say.
Thoughts? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Aww shit, I meant to put this in the VPT. Sorry, Mods can you pls move or should I delete and try again? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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I know there is bullshit out there that from the Diversity Council of Australia saying that a person without race based societal power can't be racist, but instead is prejudiced.
The fact is, she chundered in a cab and refused to pay the cleaning fee. The poor cabbie called the Cops and the Cops got racially attacked in his workplace. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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She's worth over $5 million and earns a million a year... sure is a power imbalance.
The world's definitely gone nuts.
I thought it was all about how the victim feels? _________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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My instinctive response is a) yes, technically, though surely at the most mild end of the spectrum; and b) that cop is a massive snowflake for booking her over it. All the stuff about her being stripped of the captaincy is equally cringe and just further evidence that people are desperate to find something to be offended about. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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pietillidie
Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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One of those flare-ups that all involved, including the cop as David says, need to move on from in the light of day. People are more than one incident, and it's unfair to make them one incident. Meanwhile, in life terms she's still but youngster and will learn holding one's tongue can save a lot of rigmarole and fuss. Meanwhile, we all go on benders we regret, regardless our age, fame, career, income, sexual preference, ethnicity, gender or whatever else!
Discretion is, as always, the better part of valour for all concerned here, including, especially for those worked up about it (and I don't mean the OP, whom I know definitely won't be worked up about it, and who's just being topical in the spirit of the VPT!). _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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The fact that she hasn't apologised highlights how entitled and out of touch she is. She even came out to set the record straight that she didn't call the cop a bastard, but instead a "stupid white cop" and at no stage thought, "oh, maybe I should apologise for saying that".
For all of Peta Credlin's faults, at least she called out the hypocrisy and double standard. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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slangman
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Replace Kerr with De Goey and white policeman with black policeman and you will easily understand why her remark was racist and her behaviour worthy of getting stripped of her captaincy at the very least within the current day societal standards.
Twenty years ago this would have barely made the papers. _________________ - Side By Side - |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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The problem is that you can't just swap white with black and assume that it has the same impact and same capacity to cause harm. We (including people in the UK) don't live in societies with histories of discrimination and systemic violence against white people.
Conservatives can call that hypocritical or double standards, but the issue here is that racism is not something that emerges from a vacuum – its effect lies within existing societal power dynamics. If you don't understand that, you don't really understand what racism is. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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What'sinaname
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If you’re view aligns with MP John Ruddick, it’s time to take a good hard look at yourself. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Personally I think the Cop needs to take a teaspoon of concrete and HTFU. It might be technically racist, but geezus. It's hardly comparable really for calling a black person a black (insert insult).
I got called Whitey once by an Aboriginal bloke I'd just been interviewing for an Aboriginal Liason Officer role. He bailed during the interview once it became clear the role wasn't for him and said "See ya Whitey" as he walked out.
I was taken aback a bit, as I didn't expect it but certainly wasn't offended. The Aboriginal Elder who was interviewing with me however was not happy at all, thought his attitude sucked. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Bucks5
Nicky D - Parting the red sea
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I disagree. It has to work both ways and it is racist if it is said to insinuate that the other person's skin colour is a negative trait. _________________ How would Siri know when to answer "Hey Siri" unless it is listening in to everything you say? |
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slangman
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David wrote: | The problem is that you can't just swap white with black and assume that it has the same impact and same capacity to cause harm. We (including people in the UK) don't live in societies with histories of discrimination and systemic violence against white people.
Conservatives can call that hypocritical or double standards, but the issue here is that racism is not something that emerges from a vacuum – its effect lies within existing societal power dynamics. If you don't understand that, you don't really understand what racism is. |
The question was whether the comment that she made was racist or not.
People who try to add subjective caveats on what is or isn’t racist are a real danger. Wolves in sheep’s clothing.
What Kerr said to the policeman was absolutely a racist comment irrespective of the “caveats” that you have taken upon yourself to attach to the meaning of racism to suit your narrative.
Every person can be racist towards another person and to think otherwise is foolish.
P.s I like your passion and willingness to engage in discussions but just because someone has an alternate view to you doesn’t make them a Conservative. You seem to throw that around a bit and I think your arguments would not lose their credibility as much if you refrained from labelling any opinion that differs to yours as a conservative opinion.
Go Pies!! _________________ - Side By Side - |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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If a White cop in England took offence at being called White, he has to have skin like tissue paper. Maybe it was the Bastard comment that upset him, the Poms can be twitchy about that whereas to Aussies it's basically a term of endearment.
Possibly an apocryphal story, but back in the 1940's or 50's, England was playing test cricket in Australia when the England Captain stormed into the Australian dressing room and complained that one of the Australian team had called him a Bastard.
The Australian Captain (apparently) turned to the dressing room and yelled out, "Which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"
The English captain left before anyone replied. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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