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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Yep. Definitely sticks out from doing the rounds of all the media outlets.
Also strikes me as a bit of martydom going on. Breast milk, if you can do it (not all women can) is definitely better than formula and breast feeding is a way of bonding with the baby. But, FFS, it's 7 months old. If it aint bonded by now it's never going to be. So buy a fkn breast pump, express some milk so someone else (like the Dad) can feed it, stop being a martyr and having to keep the baby with you all the time and get some life back. |
why anyone would take a baby or a child to a loud raucous show is beyond me, its child abuse.
it actually shits me, always did, when parents let their kids scream or terrorise by running amok at restaurants ( as apposed to fast food stores, but still control em!) My eldest tried it once in Target when she was about 4-5, other kids were running around the old bars they had at the front of the store, and I said loudly if you want to call the cops go for it but I'm smacking her butt! littel old lady said to me its good to see someone still disciplines their kids! Its ok, she didnt need councilling!!
same reason I don't go to dog parks, unleashed does not mean out of control!
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pietillidie
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^Sounds like a histrionic attention-seeking nutter, or as Stui says, a martyr, which is a classic far-left archetype. Comedy of all adult events people go to chill, let go a bit, and escape the world. Ricky Gervais would've had a field day with her!
As you say, you'd not do that to a baby, while I'd also never do that to people spending their hard-earned on no doubt a well-earned night out.
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David
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| What'sinaname wrote: | ^ based on what exactly?
We don't censor vision of plane crashing into the WTC, but want to censor this? Both are terrorist acts. If its about blood and gore, well it's not hard to find that content on the internet. You can find photos pictures of the OJ murder scene.
I get pulling footage when the perpetrator streams their own massacre - to dissuade others from trying to gain fame.
But in this case, the service was being streamed by the church itself. So if you censor X, then do you censor churches from streaming services.
What Musk is arguing is that X is a global content provider / distributor. So why should he be bound to the requests of one country's government.
What is the Afghanistan Taliban Government requests X from stopping the streaming of woman in sport as it contravenes their Laws. Does X abide by that? |
I agree with you on this. It seems ridiculously arbitrary what gets classified as a terrorist act and then what gets deemed illegal to watch. I was sympathetic to the social media blackout on the Christchurch murders but I think Musk is right to push back on this one.
I was actually more convinced, not less, after reading this weak pro-censorship argument in The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/23/elon-musk-battle-over-the-sydney-church-stabbing-video-is-not-about-freedom-of-speech-its-to-titillate-his-followers
| Quote: | As we saw during the aftermath of the Bondi attack last week when a false name and identity of the attacker went viral on X and the wrong name even made it on to a Channel Seven report, posts on X can have real-world adverse consequences on our soil. Likewise, extremely violent content has the potential to exacerbate distress and cause riots or further violence – as we saw after the Wakeley attack when a riot broke out outside the Sydney church.
The video that Musk has been asked to remove depicts a violent terrorist act: it really is that simple. The Australian eSafety commissioner has asked that it be removed globally, and this is a fair and reasonable request. Rather than complying, as Meta has done, Musk has decided to go to war with the eSafety commission – ostensibly to defend his rather warped understanding of freedom of speech, but really to titillate his followers. Australians have every right to be incensed by this. |
She elides the obvious point that the riots occurred in the immediate aftermath of the fact of a violent attack on a religious leader, not because of a video. The idea that this video of a non-fatal stabbing "has the potential to exacerbate distress and cause riots" but not, say, the far worse images coming out of Gaza simply doesn’t make any sense. It’s the kind of reaching that we see a lot from those in favour of censorship: vague warnings of harm that actually don’t stack up if subjected to critical scrutiny.
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| We've asked them to take it down, they've gone stuff you. It's inciting terrorism so that's what you arrest them on. Social Media giants have too much say and their moderation is pathetic as the amount of misinformation out there is out of control. |
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What'sinaname
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What terrorism has been incited?
Also, who are "we" to ask for an actual new event to be removed? That's a pretty dangerous precedent for the government to decide what news people can and can't see.
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stui magpie 
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Personally I'd rather see more effort from the Social Media megaliths into stamping out fake shit designed to warp and twist peoples views than publishing factual stuff that some find distasteful.
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What'sinaname
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That's so true. How hard can it be to stop ads that say "Celebrity X didn't know the mic was still on...Big Banks are trying to stop this"
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David
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Personally I'd rather see more effort from the Social Media megaliths into stamping out fake shit designed to warp and twist peoples views than publishing factual stuff that some find distasteful. |
Hear hear.
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^Thirded. Deceit has become so normalised, yet trust is the glue of the entire edifice; it's miles more important than some grim fact.
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David
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Good article on this from Bernard Keane in Crikey:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/04/24/wakeley-stabbing-video-elon-musk-freedom-of-speech/
| Quote: | Here we go again: ‘Terror’ hysteria brings out the worst in the political-media class
Bernard Keane
It only took one failed knife attack on a cleric and the decision of one toxic clown of a tech billionaire: Australia is back into a full-court press on civil liberties and freedom of speech.
Australia’s internet censorship body, with the encouragement of politicians on both sides, is pursuing X (formerly Twitter) for rightly refusing to remove footage of the Wakeley attack, with “e-Safety commissioner” Julie Inman Grant demanding a global ban on the content.
X’s competitors in Australia’s corporate media, particularly at the Nine papers, are cheering them on. Unsurprisingly, Nine journalists are demanding “Musk be put in his place“. Even the Financial Review devoted multiple stories to the issue today and editorialised that the removal of the Wakeley footage was “a genuine public safety” issue and akin to “shouting fire in a crowded cinema” (quoting Wendell Holmes is like the Godwin’s Law of the free speech debate).
Meanwhile, the Coalition is demanding that Inman Grant’s “papers please” requirement for age verification online be implemented immediately. In that demand, let’s be clear about what the opposition really wants: it would apply to not just social media companies but any adult content. That would mean the 84% of men and 54% of women in Australia who use pornography would be compelled to hand ID documents like credit card details or birth certificates to social media companies, services like YouTube, and pornography websites.
Happy with Pornhub having your passport because Peter Dutton thinks it’s a good idea? Yeah, “age verification” suddenly doesn’t sound so clever once you point out what it involves, eh?
Let’s not forget the government is also crafting legislation to criminalise “doxxing”, or, to be accurate, publicly revealing the names of people who want to destroy your career because you object to mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing.
And the nation’s security bureaucrats have exploited recent events to once again demand a prohibition on encryption, with a dropped speech from the heads of ASIO and the Australian Federal Police flagging a push for security agencies to be given back doors into encrypted systems so they can check that users “do not enable crime and the vilification of minorities such as Muslims, Jews and the LGBTQIA+ community”.
This, too, will be cheered on by many in the media. One senior journalist at Nine has already lashed out at the use of VPNs, saying they help “drug-runners dodge police” and blur “the idea of national borders”. That would suggest anyone hoping to contact David Crowe anonymously should probably think again, since a VPN and encrypted communications platforms like Signal are basic tools for any journalist who wants to do all they can to protect sources.
That’s one of the many problems that attacks on end-to-end encryption entail. Contrary to the cliché about not having anything to hide, plenty of us have something to hide and need our communications secured from snooping by security bureaucrats — politicians, lawyers, journalists, medical professionals and anyone who wants to blow the whistle on wrongdoing. Australia has a deeply entrenched culture of trying to destroy anyone who reveals wrongdoing. Just ask Brittany Higgins.
And the idea that the AFP, which can be sent after whistleblowers by politicians and public service chiefs, can be trusted to not abuse powers to access encrypted communications is laughable.
The willingness of many in the media and politics in Australia to support attacks on free speech, privacy and civil liberties demonstrates a persistent theme: the commitment to protecting free speech and basic rights is only skin deep — and often not even that. When even the alleged “watchdog press”, and the party that is supposed to be suspicious of big government and state intrusion, call for yet more powers to monitor and control what Australians see and can say, it reflects a shallow attachment to the basics of a free society.
Defending those basics is often left to the cranks and the far right — look at the line-up defending Musk here: the risible Ralph Babet, senator for high-vis vests Matt Canavan, the fossil fuel-funded bozos of the IPA. But though it shouldn’t have to be said, just because dickheads believe something, doesn’t make it wrong.
This happens every time there’s a new “terror” attack in Australia. It happened after 9/11 and the Bali bombings, with the Howard government introducing some of the most draconian assaults on civil liberties in Australian history. It happened after the rise of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, laughably portrayed as an “existential threat” to Australia by then attorney-general George Brandis, which prompted yet more assaults on freedom, like data retention.
Now, a failed knifing caught on camera is the pretext for another assault. Talk about history repeating as farce. |
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What'sinaname
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^ very good article David
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stui magpie
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Yeah, agreed. It really is overreach to try to demand that Musk take down the footage internationally. If it inspires terrorism elsewhere, that's their problem (and Musks) but they got there way to have it removed here. Which is really pointless if you think about it as most mainstream media showed the footage and if you wanted to find it, you likely still could and even if not there's plenty of worse stuff out there.
Bit of tilting at windmills happening.
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Good article, David. Thanks for posting.
I've been disturbed by the cheerleaders of censorship.
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pietillidie
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I wanted to pop this here quickly now, but it deserves its own thread. Bluey has been the best advertisement over here and elsewhere that Australia has had since Crocodile Dundee. I'm telling you, the affection with which it's held, and delight at its simplicity and good-natured charm, has cut through at such a cynical moment the world over.
Normally, embassies talk meaningless nonsense, but this is absolutely right (the series has obviously achieved much greater acclaim this, but it caught my eye yesterday):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9rtOpIBphs
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| Jezza wrote: | Good article, David. Thanks for posting.
I've been disturbed by the cheerleaders of censorship. |
Especially by the MSM who themselves decides to run with a story accusing the wrong person!!!
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