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stui magpie
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Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Post subject: Goal kicking - Pies players showing benefits of coaching | |
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Bit of positive news in the Herald Sun.
Quote: | AFL goalkicking coach Ben Dixon says the AFL’s sharpshooters are thriving under the freedom to practice their art with fewer sports-science restrictions.
Dixon coaches about 15 Collingwood players including Alex Fasolo (a remarkable 18.3 this year) and Darcy Moore (10.2 this season).
Eleven of the AFL’s top goalkickers are averaging 80 per cent accuracy or better, up from the competition average of just 58 per cent.
Dixon said clubs like Collingwood and Hawthorn understood the premium on accuracy and allowed players a huge volume of practice shots.
In the past some sports-science experts restricted set-shot practice to ensure players remained fresh. |
Really like this bit. Rudeboy take note
Quote: | “A good goalkicker has a set shot routine that is to the letter and if they miss they aren’t saying, ‘Why did I miss?’
“They are saying I missed because I did this wrong. I have practised it so much in training I know what my routine and feel is.
“And they nail the next one. Last night I did 60 straight shots with Travis Cloke and he’s started to self-assess himself, which he said to me he has never been able to do.” |
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-goalkicking-coach-ben-dixon-says-players-are-thriving-under-the-freedom-to-practice-their-craft/news-story/48a1eacd226f03ff756dc322b51b7ef5 _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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thompsoc
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Good to see you are still here Stui!
Interesting information.
We seem to be a lot better this year at kicking goals.
Maybe good weather has been a little bit of a help. _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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Jez07
Joined: 02 May 2016
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It shows you the benefit of what happens when you appoint a dedicated coach for a particular area. Because of the football tax, we refused to employ a goal kicking coach prior to this year.
Now why isn't there a dedicated ruck coach? |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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thompsoc wrote: | Good to see you are still here Stui!
Interesting information.
We seem to be a lot better this year at kicking goals.
Maybe good weather has been a little bit of a help. |
Cheers mate, I'm not going anywhere.
I find it stunning that all these years into an AFL career as a key forward, Cloke has never been able to self assess before. No wonder his confidence was shot, he had no idea what he was doing wrong or how to fix it.
I reckon a couple more VFL games and working like this on his kicking and even though it won't be fixed in a short time, he'll be back with a lot more self confidence which can only be a good thing. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Piesnchess
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IF only we could unearth another Peter McKenna, still the most accurate and deadly goalkicker I have ever seen, he literally just about never missed. When lining up for goal, decades back at Vic Park, they used to change the Pies score on the scoreboard, before he had even kicked it, so sure were they hed get it, even from the boundary line. This happened several times, I recall. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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stui magpie
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Piesnchess wrote: | IF only we could unearth another Peter McKenna, still the most accurate and deadly goalkicker I have ever seen, he literally just about never missed. When lining up for goal, decades back at Vic Park, they used to change the Pies score on the scoreboard, before he had even kicked it, so sure were they hed get it, even from the boundary line. This happened several times, I recall. |
No disrespect to McKenna but I've often wondered if the using of new balls all the time has had an impact on goal kicking.
The old Sherrin's back in the 70's when you used the same ball all game got kicked in during the game, softer and easier to mark and kick. Waterlogged balls were a different issue but I'd rather try to kick a waterlogged one than a new one when it was wet. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
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Once or twice, they had to roll it back when he hit the post. Another time, as I remember it, he had a kick from such a tight angle that the ball literally got caught between the goalposts on the way through.
You and I are both fans of McKenna, PnC but I wonder whether we should really plan our goal-kicking strategy around trying to recruit someone who is the equal of the best shot for goal who ever walked the earth? |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Interestingly, both Lockett and Hudson bettered McKenna for conversion ratio - Lockett goaled from about 70% of his shots, Hudson from 69% and McKenna from about 65%. Yet I, too, remember Macca as the greatest set shot I ever saw.
I think the reason is that Mckenna took many more shots from a distance,and on difficult angles, because his style of play was very different. Lockett relied on aerial power, and Hudson on body work and balance. As a result, both tended to shoot from in front of goal and often from close in (esp Hudson).
McKenna's play was built on fast leads, often toward the flank and nearly always 30m+ out from goal. So he often had to slot tight shots from 45m plus. Of course, that is just my theory, and it will probably remain unproven, since there is no data about where exactly he kicked his goals from, compared to the other two. Perhaps he was not quite as great a shot as we remember - but I think he was.
It's an interesting example of how statistics have to be treated carefully. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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didick
didick
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Location: Brisbane
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Post subject: Re: Goal kicking - Pies players showing benefits of coaching | |
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stui magpie wrote: | Bit of positive news in the Herald Sun.
Quote: | AFL goalkicking coach Ben Dixon says the AFL’s sharpshooters are thriving under the freedom to practice their art with fewer sports-science restrictions.
Dixon coaches about 15 Collingwood players including Alex Fasolo (a remarkable 18.3 this year) and Darcy Moore (10.2 this season).
Eleven of the AFL’s top goalkickers are averaging 80 per cent accuracy or better, up from the competition average of just 58 per cent.
Dixon said clubs like Collingwood and Hawthorn understood the premium on accuracy and allowed players a huge volume of practice shots.
In the past some sports-science experts restricted set-shot practice to ensure players remained fresh. |
Really like this bit. Rudeboy take note
Quote: | “A good goalkicker has a set shot routine that is to the letter and if they miss they aren’t saying, ‘Why did I miss?’
“They are saying I missed because I did this wrong. I have practised it so much in training I know what my routine and feel is.
“And they nail the next one. Last night I did 60 straight shots with Travis Cloke and he’s started to self-assess himself, which he said to me he has never been able to do.” |
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-goalkicking-coach-ben-dixon-says-players-are-thriving-under-the-freedom-to-practice-their-craft/news-story/48a1eacd226f03ff756dc322b51b7ef5 |
Seriously? Is this for real?!! A professional sportsmen who has not been taught how to train and hone his skill properly? What a joke. In the twilight of his career and only now is getting the coaching he needs for what he is paid to do? Wasted goals over the years, wasted games and probably a few less wins.
It'd almost be like Jason Day saying I'll have a few practice putts but if I can't get it right it doesn't matter, I'll just worry about hitting the fairway. Drive for show, putt for dough. Mark for show, kick for dough. _________________ "The night is a very dark time for me" Chaz Michael Michaels |
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Pies4shaw
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You're right. Plugger was a much better kick than Hudson but Hudson generally kicked from close in and didn't often face the angles McKenna routinely faced. For those that didn't see him play, it is worth bearing in mind that, in those days, McKenna was very unusual in using the drop punt. Wade used torpedos or flat punts and Hudson almost always used the flat punt. My father describes Coventry as being strong, though not tall, and efficient, rather than spectacular, both as a player generally and as a kick. Although he generally favoured the players from the old days (eg, Fothergill over Daicos, Laurie Nash over Royce Hart), my father always said that McKenna was a more accurate kick than Coventry, so that's probably a reasonably reliable appraisal. |
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Didaksgoal
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You've either got it, or you do not. That's it, it's what you're born with.
Go the Pies! |
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didick
didick
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You can be born with talent. But the best still have to work at it. I don't think there isn't a leading sportsmen in any sport that would say they don't work their backside off and give 110%. Golf, tennis, all codes of football, basketball etc. I dare say even Fabulous Phil Taylor in darts. To be a pro AFL player and be limited in how much you can practice your art, something you are paid big $ to do, is crazy. And it's not just about kicking ball after ball. Sounds like he hasn't even had a coach teaching him how to understand what he's supposed to be doing. _________________ "The night is a very dark time for me" Chaz Michael Michaels |
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Cam
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Joined: 10 May 2002 Location: Springvale
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Plugger monstered alot of blokes in the goal square and kicked plenty from there. _________________ Get back on top. |
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Piesnchess
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yes, and we came within a bees knee of getting Plugger to the Pies, one dumb guy on the board voted no, and that was that. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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Joined: 05 May 2010
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Post subject: Re: Goal kicking - Pies players showing benefits of coaching | |
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didick wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | Bit of positive news in the Herald Sun.
Quote: | AFL goalkicking coach Ben Dixon says the AFL’s sharpshooters are thriving under the freedom to practice their art with fewer sports-science restrictions.
Dixon coaches about 15 Collingwood players including Alex Fasolo (a remarkable 18.3 this year) and Darcy Moore (10.2 this season).
Eleven of the AFL’s top goalkickers are averaging 80 per cent accuracy or better, up from the competition average of just 58 per cent.
Dixon said clubs like Collingwood and Hawthorn understood the premium on accuracy and allowed players a huge volume of practice shots.
In the past some sports-science experts restricted set-shot practice to ensure players remained fresh. |
Really like this bit. Rudeboy take note
Quote: | “A good goalkicker has a set shot routine that is to the letter and if they miss they aren’t saying, ‘Why did I miss?’
“They are saying I missed because I did this wrong. I have practised it so much in training I know what my routine and feel is.
“And they nail the next one. Last night I did 60 straight shots with Travis Cloke and he’s started to self-assess himself, which he said to me he has never been able to do.” |
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-goalkicking-coach-ben-dixon-says-players-are-thriving-under-the-freedom-to-practice-their-craft/news-story/48a1eacd226f03ff756dc322b51b7ef5 |
Seriously? Is this for real?!! A professional sportsmen who has not been taught how to train and hone his skill properly? What a joke. In the twilight of his career and only now is getting the coaching he needs for what he is paid to do? Wasted goals over the years, wasted games and probably a few less wins.
It'd almost be like Jason Day saying I'll have a few practice putts but if I can't get it right it doesn't matter, I'll just worry about hitting the fairway. Drive for show, putt for dough. Mark for show, kick for dough. |
this is a puff piece to promote the coach. Of course he is going to slant the article to suggest that before he came along, no one knew what they were doing.
Mind you, as Yogi Berra famously said about a different sport:
Kicking for goal is 90% mental and the other half is physical! _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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