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Is there any evidence that the op-eds translate into ticket sales, though?
This is sort of a niche film, whether or not the director pretentiously thinks it's great art. Will anyone other than its target audience rock up to see it just because there are tweets? |
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stui magpie
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I'm sure you could find the answer on Google, but consider 2 things.
1. People writing op-ed pieces about it, before they've even seen it, is free publicity. It gets people who would never have considered watching a "super hero" movie suddenly are interested. If a percentage of those go to see it to make their own minds up, the answer to your question is clearly yes
2. If you read the review, the reviewer doesn't actually like the film but clearly dismisses all the hysterical rubbish being peddled
As far as the "right wing" theories in the Guardian article David posted, the BFI sees it differently.
Quote: | He’s a monster, and we know so; but he’s also a subversive agent of chaos striking out against Thomas Wayne, an unfeeling millionaire running for mayor of Gotham. There’s a plot strand around the lack of social safety net, which affects Arthur’s ability to get the medication he needs. This all feels very in keeping with a liberal worldview. The trouble is that its lionising of the loner-hero is also just as easily associated to the rhetoric of the Trump supporter; common folks who are sick of perceived elites, using violence as a means to empower themselves.
This may be the biggest issue with Joker, the confused ideological mish-mashing: right-on in one moment and uncomfortable in the next. Narratively, there are real moments of shock, degradation and exhilaration in this film, many derived from Phoenix’s performance. Ideas-wise, it’s only slightly less superficial than so many other comic-book movies, but judging by pure entertainment factor, it’s a thrill to watch. |
https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/joker-todd-phillips-joaquin-phoenix _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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I'm sure we cannot find the answer on Google, because it's probably not known and all anyone can do is guess. Guesses could be right, though.
I reckon young males don't read op-eds. But they might read tweets. |
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stui magpie
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Bad Reviews Can Boost Sales. Here’s Why
https://hbr.org/2012/03/bad-reviews-can-boost-sales-heres-why
"t’s a time-honored adage: There’s no such thing as bad publicity. Yet studies have consistently shown that negative news hurts sales. Bad publicity about Tom Cruise is thought to have cost the 2006 movie Mission: Impossible III $100 million in ticket sales, to cite just one example.
Every so often, though, exceptions emerge. ..."
["Thought to have cost" must mean just a guess, though.] |
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stui magpie
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think positive
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hmm, have to say hes the perfect choice for the part, and some of the other actors make it worth a look. Scream the movie still creeps me out, what should be shown on telly? well kids should be in bed by the time they play these movies, and if they are on foxtel, well mum or dad should have enough sense to censor it. but im old fashioned, i believe in parents actually raising and disciplining their kids!
with the internet, its a mute point, i see literally babies with ipads connected to the net. scary shit. anyone can watch whatever they want when ever.
the Kartrashians, thats what should be banned! ugh, just the commercials make me want to puke! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
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I don't care much about the film TBH, I'm just here to mark the day that Stui started posting links to Sight & Sound magazine articles and quotes referring to Luis Buñuel films.
(That New Yorker piece is great, by the way. Amazing to note, as the reviewer does, that all of this ink has been spilled over a film that hardly anyone has seen.) _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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stui magpie
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hah, I just googled Joker Reviews, read a couple and posted the one I thought was best.
I have no idea and less care whether Luis Buñuel is a director or a pastry. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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As a surrealist, he'd probably enjoy that juxtaposition!
Seriously, though, if you never watch a Buñuel film, at least check out the 'dinner' scene from The Phantom of Liberty. Genius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Mptgi23YE _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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WTAF did I just watch? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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not sure, but the drink and food thing in the wall is good, id like one of those please!
David, you have strange taste, oh and the comments!! ok then! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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lamb cutlets and red wine are luxury products here and thanks to those to those bastards drjving the dollar down retired expats dont buy it. not one aussie product has been reduced in price in the supermarketw.That scene was shot in the reserve wank boardroom _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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David wrote: | As a surrealist, he'd probably enjoy that juxtaposition!
Seriously, though, if you never watch a Buñuel film, at least check out the 'dinner' scene from The Phantom of Liberty. Genius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Mptgi23YE |
People whose minds come up with things like this always intrigue me, like, what else have they got in there? |
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David
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