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stui magpie
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yeah i saw that after too, i was reading through it with my double shot get back to work coffee!!!
and yes imagine it hey, who would be a cop, cheers scary shit
-and yet i have never felt unsafe there! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
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I've pretty much never felt unsafe over there. I decided not to venture into the Tenderloin in San Fran even though I was staying right on it's boundary. I'm not overly risk averse but I considered there would be more fun ways to commit suicide. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie wrote: | ^
I've pretty much never felt unsafe over there. I decided not to venture into the Tenderloin in San Fran even though I was staying right on it's boundary. I'm not overly risk averse but I considered there would be more fun ways to commit suicide. | yeah i made that mistake when we were on our honeymoon 28 years ago! homeless guy tried to get my bag, I ran in a shop and the owner chased him out with a baseball bat!!!! i was a tad jittery that day!! but i got my taco bell! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
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I'm not sure what your taco Bell was but I hope you enjoyed it.
Meanwhile George's family has scored $27 Million . I have no idea how these things are worked out but that has to be at least $26.5 Million more than he was likely to earn in the rest of his life if he wasn't murdered. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
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It's basically punitive. US juries routinely award massive damages to claimants that exceed by many times the sort of sum we would expect to see a court award here. That is, the figure over there tends to reflect the extent of the disapproval for the impugned conduct, rather than - as it would here - the value of any established loss (including future losses).
My recollection is that when the last policeman wrongfully shot and killed someone in Minneapolis, the payout was around the US$20 million mark. That, of course, was the guy who shot Justine Ruszczyk.
Of course, it looks like a lot of money (because it is) but it is trivial in the scheme of things. Here's a fine example of what can happen over there: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna45761980#.VNqaOPmG98E
A very bad 13 year old commits appalling crimes and causes the death of an 8 year old, is tried as an adult (!?!?), convicted of murder - but, before that - a jury awards - I kid you not - $US 150 Billion in damages in the civil suit.
Given that the defendant in that case was already in prison for other crimes (and had been for more than a decade), it's hard to see what the practical purpose of that might have been. |
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Lazza
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The USA have only themselves to blame really. If they vote to ban automatic weapons and have a similar gun ownership policy as we have, they will go a very long way towards at least minimising the shootings, except for the suicides because the options are so great. Obama tried but the NRA were are still are a huge impediment to even attempt to make lives safer there by making very small changes that would help lessen the shooting fatalities. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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stui magpie wrote: | I'm not sure what your taco Bell was but I hope you enjoyed it.
Meanwhile George's family has scored $27 Million . I have no idea how these things are worked out but that has to be at least $26.5 Million more than he was likely to earn in the rest of his life if he wasn't murdered. |
https://tacobell.com.au/
That payout is ridiculous _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Bucks5
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^ Dont forget the millions they got through the Gofundme campaigns. The courts should consider that when awarding damages. _________________ How would Siri know when to answer "Hey Siri" unless it is listening in to everything you say? |
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Good point.
Maybe some of his previous victims could get s cut, especially the last lady, I mean she has to be wondering, why us thus guy who held a gun to my head while my children were home and robbed me, why us his life worth more than mine? Because I didn’t die? What about the terror for her entire family for the rest of their lives?
The link is from snopes, which is apparently a myth buster so you get the nice version of his criminal past, just go to his last victim, I mean why was she afraid of a 6 foot 7 man with a gun? Colour doesn’t matter.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/12/george-floyd-criminal-record/
A few more suggestions: a couple of million to turn the old slum he lived in into decent housing for the homeless in that own, yes including the addicts, another million or 2 for a councillor. A couple of million for police education, for educating the disadvantaged in the community, kids living with parents wasting their pocket money on a gram of coke.
27 million. No wonder the US has so many areas that look like war zones, and so many people cannot get simple basic health care.
They could buy some time with Harry and Megs! Now that I’d like to see! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Pies4shaw
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The only thing significant about the sum of the settlement is that it will act as a flag to local authorities across the US that they need to do more to keep their police in check. If they don't, it will cost them.
It may also be useful to observe that this was the settlement of a law suit - it wasn't a court decision, it was just the City of Minneapolis accepting that this payout was a good compromise for it, in the circumstances (given whatever advice they received about what would happen if the case went to trial). |
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David
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Pies4shaw wrote: | A very bad 13 year old commits appalling crimes and causes the death of an 8 year old, is tried as an adult (!?!?), convicted of murder - but, before that - a jury awards - I kid you not - $US 150 Billion in damages in the civil suit. |
Surely that’s a typo and you mean million, right!?!? That’s close to the total GDP of New Zealand! _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Pies4shaw
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No, it isn't a typo. Hence the "I kid you not". |
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stui magpie
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The Typo's are in the tried as an adult and convicted of murder part.
According to that article, he was never even charged let alone tried or convicted.
But yeah, awarding $150 Billion when they're unlikely to get 150 cents is just ridiculous. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
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That article preceded the trial and conviction by several years. He was sentenced to 40 years for the murder (and some other fairly appalling crimes). |
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