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Ronnie McKeowns boots
Ronnie Mckeowns boots
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Post subject: Ruck development over last decade | |
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I was watchinh the replay and noticed how well Cameron played in the 2nd half, really coming along well.
And it got me thinking; our ruck development over the last 10 years has been really good, from scouting to development to blooding. Grundy obviously, but Witts as well, and now Cameron...I'm probably forgetting some other ones too.
When you cast your mind back to the Malthouse years, and the damage not having a decent ruck did, it is certainly refreshing to have that position covered. |
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Mr Miyagi
Joined: 14 Sep 2018
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Malthouse wrecked Josh Fraser. To be fair, we didn’t know McKee was sick (legionnaires right?) and just thought he was a dud. It wasn’t until Jolly that Malthouse woke up |
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Ronnie McKeowns boots
Ronnie Mckeowns boots
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But even then he had to bring one in, never developed one in his years there. _________________ "You hate a mean man, a grasping man, a man who wants everything and gives nothing. That’s Collingwood. They are a law unto themselves"
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Jezza
2023 PREMIERS!
Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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McKee was a decent backup to Fraser before the rule changes at the end of 2002 effectively killed his career.
We had the likes of Fanning, Richards and Bryan after that but they weren't up to it. Jolly was a good upgrade to Fraser for 2010/11. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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Another rule brought into negate us. Mate whose son in law played for the scum recruited McKee for the O and M league. Murdered em there and never left the forward 40.
Lachie Keefe another _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Post subject: Re: Ruck development over last decade | |
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Ronnie McKeowns boots wrote: | I was watchinh the replay and noticed how well Cameron played in the 2nd half, really coming along well.
And it got me thinking; our ruck development over the last 10 years has been really good, from scouting to development to blooding. Grundy obviously, but Witts as well, and now Cameron...I'm probably forgetting some other ones too.
When you cast your mind back to the Malthouse years, and the damage not having a decent ruck did, it is certainly refreshing to have that position covered. |
Cox is probably the most obvious other player who comes to mind – he was our second-highest hitout winner for four years running until Cameron took that mantle last year. As far as I can tell, they've both more or less played an identical role (primarily forward / second ruck), as did Quinten Lynch in 2013 (and Darcy Moore also took some hitouts early on in his career). I guess we're yet to see whether the other Lynch will get much of an opportunity at senior level. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Incidentally, here's a list of our major hitout winners for each season since Malthouse took over, which I think really paints a picture of how our fortunes in that area have changed:
2021 (so far): Grundy 311, Cameron 28, Cox 22
2020: Grundy 593, Cameron 57, Cox 34
2019: Grundy 1022, Cox 56
2018: Grundy 1038, Cox 164
2017: Grundy 714, Cox 145, Moore 64
2016: Grundy 548, Cox 79, White 47
2015: Grundy 462, Witts 245, White 80
2014: Witts 375, Grundy 272, White 108
2013: Jolly 209, Grundy 151, Hudson 147, Lynch 129, Witts 74
2012: Jolly 649, Wood 132, Dawes 89
2011: Jolly 383, Wood 265, Brown 120
2010: Jolly 579, Brown 93, Fraser 91, Wood 42
2009: Fraser 287, Wood 204, Brown 79
2008: Fraser 274, Bryan 233, Wood 142
2007: Fraser 298, Richards 205, Bryan 90
2006: Fraser 341, Richards 101
2005: Fanning 134, C. Cloke 119, Walker 56, Fraser 41
2004: Fraser 236, Richards 156, McKee 45
2003: Fraser 300, McKee 108, A. Rocca 107
2002: McKee 235, Fraser 146, A. Rocca 130, J. Cloke 47
2001: Fraser 134, McKee 122, A. Rocca 100
2000: Fraser 185, A. Rocca 114, McKee 40 _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Jezza wrote: | McKee was a decent backup to Fraser before the rule changes at the end of 2002 effectively killed his career.
We had the likes of Fanning, Richards and Bryan after that but they weren't up to it. Jolly was a good upgrade to Fraser for 2010/11. |
Forgot Cameron Wood but he never came on as we Hoped he would _________________ I am Da Man |
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Ronnie McKeowns boots
Ronnie Mckeowns boots
Joined: 27 Jul 2020
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Pick 14 as well, if memory serves; what a waste _________________ "You hate a mean man, a grasping man, a man who wants everything and gives nothing. That’s Collingwood. They are a law unto themselves"
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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Dave The Man wrote: | Jezza wrote: | McKee was a decent backup to Fraser before the rule changes at the end of 2002 effectively killed his career.
We had the likes of Fanning, Richards and Bryan after that but they weren't up to it. Jolly was a good upgrade to Fraser for 2010/11. |
Forgot Cameron Wood but he never came on as we Hoped he would |
Years ago there were huge wraps on a Tassie giant Neville Muir. However he was too slow even for the game being played then and never quite made it. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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I like the look of the young kid, Moyle, who is a big bodied 205 cm giant, who rucked for our VFL side a couple of weeks ago. He is a bit slow and lumbering, but took a couple of nice marks and showed some footy smarts. If we took him in the mid-season draft, at only 19yrs of age, we would have a few years to develop him into a future ruckman. |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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RudeBoy wrote: | I like the look of the young kid, Moyle, who is a big bodied 205 cm giant, who rucked for our VFL side a couple of weeks ago.
He is a bit slow and lumbering, but took a couple of nice marks and showed some footy smarts.
If we took him in the mid-season draft, at only 19yrs of age, we would have a few years to develop him into a future ruckman. |
Ah, so then we'd have both Cox and the Moyle?! _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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Dave The Man wrote: | Forgot Cameron Wood but he never came on as we Hoped he would |
Yep, I forgot him.
Considering we traded pick 14 to get him, we would have hoped for more. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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David wrote: | Incidentally, here's a list of our major hitout winners for each season since Malthouse took over, which I think really paints a picture of how our fortunes in that area have changed:
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We need the total hitouts in the AFL for each year.
Before this year, stoppages had been increasing every year.
Stoppage after stoppage = hitout after hitout. |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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^^^ The stats back me up. You have to judge HO numbers against the trend of the game over the years.
AFL Hit out averages by year
2000 30.1
2001 29.1
2002 31.6
2003 32.7
2004 33.6
2005 30.8
2006 30.1
2007 31.3
2008 32.3
2009 35.8
2010 36.1
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2011 39.3
2012 39.7
2013 39.5
2014 40.9
2015 43.0
2016 39.7
2017 39.9
2018 38.9
2019 38.5
2020 29.6
2021 33.0 (so far) |
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