Rebuild or reset ?
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Ronnie McKeowns boots
Ronnie Mckeowns boots
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2006 we beat both eventual grand finalists and bombed out of top 4 because of baffling losses to inferior teams (I believe the Blues was one).
Lost a 5 vs 8 elim against the rising Dogs...but really should have made top 4, and who knows what then? _________________ "You hate a mean man, a grasping man, a man who wants everything and gives nothing. That’s Collingwood. They are a law unto themselves"
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Geek
geek
Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Location: Jacana
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Cruisinwithdids wrote: | We hit Rock bottom around 2005-6 after the GF’s of 2002-3 . We got Cloke pendles Thomas etc. around that time and went about building a good team with success in 2010. But we couldn’t sustain it due mainly to an internal implosion around the handover. Now it’s 2021, so after a 10 year downward spiral we are further away than ever. The key to a re build is fessing up to where you are at. The club has dedicated a decade to saving Buckley at the expense of the club, and still are. Unless that changes straight away it could be anything up to another 7 years. |
We bottomed out twice on our way to the 2010 flag.
We first hit the bottom in 1999 (Leon, Johnno) and 2000 (Didak). We made 2 grand finals within 3 years and were outclassed in both, even with Buckley, Burns, Tarrant and so on.
Now yes, the Lions were a confected super team designed to grow the game in the northern states and that should be taken into account. We weren't supposed to win. But the reality was that we still rose with a team that wasn't complete enough to do the job. Anyone who haunted these sites back in the day will recall the plod squads, lard arsed wombats and so on of the day. We were a team with too many honest toilers and too few stars.
2001 - Swan
2002 - Maxwell
2003 - Heater
2004 - Trav, O'Brien
2005 - Daisy, Pendles, Tooves
We then started ascending the ladder again, making finals in '06.
So we had already acquired 11 of the premiership 22, including critical players in our CHF, Brownlow medalist and inspirational captain, by the time we started to rise. But here's where our squad differed from pretty much every other premiership team before or since.
We drafted 6 premiership players in the one draft in '06, despite playing in an elimination final (Reid, Brown, Dawes, Goldsack, Wellingham, McCaffer), bringing our number of future premiership players on the list to 17.
That's not normal.
And I think it's what really skews peoples' thinking when they look at our '04/'05 reset. There's a reason why our team was one of the youngest ever premiership teams. That 2006 draft gave us nearly 1/3 of our next premiership team in one fell swoop, accelerating the process by as much as 2 or 3 years and giving us a chance at striking for a premiership while Johnno, Leaon and Didak were still on the list. By the time that draft was done, we just had 5 more players to get: Sidey, Beams and Leroy in '08 and Jolly and Ball in '09.
But it was 10 years from '09/'00 bottom out and 7-9 from acquiring Swan, Heater and Maxy before we saluted. The decision to rebuild was made after the '03 debacle and that short reset, even with the '06 draft getting us 3 drafts worth of premiership talent in one hit, still took 7 years to bear fruit. |
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PyreneesPie
PyreneesPie
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^Wow. Very impressive analysis of what's involved in getting together a premiership list together. Thanks Geek. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Great analysis Geek. Much appreciated. |
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thesoretoothsayer
Joined: 26 Apr 2017
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Well, the new narrative from the club is that we are, in fact, embarked upon a rebuild and the decision to rebuild was taken at the end of last year (the decision being helped along by salary cap issues).
https://www.afl.com.au/news/628045/the-rebuild-ladder-where-does-your-club-sit-
I wonder whether, if we had won a few more games and were still contending for finals, the club would be calling it a rebuild?
My feeling is that those in charge have thought:
"Shit, trading out a group of senior players (combined with injuries) has really hurt us. Time to say it's a rebuild so that fans accept the losses as part of the process rather than being due to monumental stuff ups caused by us". |
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thesoretoothsayer
Joined: 26 Apr 2017
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Location: We prefer free speech - you know it's right
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So im going to throw it out there - we will sign Mark Williams as next coach, he ticks every box inc being an ex pie. Alternatively it'll be Lyon. _________________ All Aboard!! Choo Choo!!! |
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masoncox
masoncox
Joined: 31 Aug 2015
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don't mind lyon
Bit worried about defence first with him. |
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BazBoy
Joined: 11 Sep 2014
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We are in the market for coach. Don’t need to send our boys out to search for one
Their lining up —media says so a la Peter Sumich _________________ I'm not arguing--just explaining why i am right |
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SteveH67
Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia
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We are rebuilding.
Pendles, Sidey, Howe, Mayne etc all gone over the next 12-24 mths.
More pain before we start moving up the ladder again. _________________ Social club member 7342 since 2000. |
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Jezza
2023 PREMIERS!
Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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^ Last week, the club indicated this would be a 3-5 year rebuild, hence the reason to move Buckley on as he couldn't commit that far down the track. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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Presti35
Dick Lee for Legend Status
Joined: 05 Oct 2001 Location: London, England
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Well it's obviously a rebuild now.
Just dont let it be one of those 20-30 year rebuilds. _________________ A Goal Saved Is 2 Goals Earned! |
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/631444/contract-crunch-time-cox-among-15-pies-in-race-to-save-career
The 15 referred to are are Cox, Thomas, Madgen, Mayne, Greenwood, Pendlebury (call the 15 14), Noble (said to be in line for a "multi-year" extension), Bianco, Rantall, Ruscoe, Sier, Lynch, Ginnivan, Chugg and Tohill. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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Some of those players are definitely going, but if you look at our list with Nick Daicos joining it next year and compare it to our 2010 premiership year list, our current list appears healthier to me, which is a credit to the hard work that Derek Hine has done. Can’t find anything holding us back from pushing back into the final 8 next year. The most overrated person in the AFL club is the senior coach so I don’t think it matters much who we get as senior coach. Let’s first see what sort of a job Robert Harvey does. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Interesting. Feel like the only certainties to stick around there are Pendlebury (for at least one more year), Noble, Bianco and Rantall. Greenwood and Mayne will both retire, you would think, but the rest of those – particularly Cox, Thomas, Sier, Lynch and Madgen – really do have big question marks over them. Of that lot, I'd like to see us hang on to Thomas (unless a decent trade option presents itself) and Madgen at least. No idea where Ginnivan, Chugg and Tohill are at. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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