#32 Travis Cloke

Mossi · Post by **Mossi** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:48 pm

Pies4shaw wrote: Those 4 "putrid" years include 3 over which he kicked 141 goals at an average of 2.4 goals per game.

Yep he would be going nowhere if his last year and a half was 4.2 per game! Amazing what a inverting a few numbers can do?
Never the less I am sad to see him go. He will always be a 200+ game player for us.

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:50 pm

makri wrote:After last night I was struggling to see how Cloke would get into the Bulldogs team. Can't even see him getting a game in their reserves after today.

Nor, on their displays today, would Williams, Oxley, Gault, Witts, Phillips, Crocker or Wills, which is a more significant concern.

AN_Inkling · Post by **AN_Inkling** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:59 pm

Pies4shaw wrote:
makri wrote:After last night I was struggling to see how Cloke would get into the Bulldogs team. Can't even see him getting a game in their reserves after today.
Nor, on their displays today, would Williams, Oxley, Gault, Witts, Phillips, Crocker or Wills, which is a more significant concern.

Not quite true. But we would have said the same about most of the Dogs VFL players when they lost by 70 in week 1. Big losses tend to make players look bad.

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:06 pm

Sorry, wrong thread.

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:12 pm

AN_Inkling wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
makri wrote:After last night I was struggling to see how Cloke would get into the Bulldogs team. Can't even see him getting a game in their reserves after today.
Nor, on their displays today, would Williams, Oxley, Gault, Witts, Phillips, Crocker or Wills, which is a more significant concern.
Not quite true. But we would have said the same about most of the Dogs VFL players when they lost by 70 in week 1. Big losses tend to make players look bad.

Big losses like this demonstrate the absence of meaningful on-field leadership from the senior-listed players. Does anyone really think This Footscray VFL team is 108 points better than Collingwood on any given day? No, they just want it a lot, lot more.

Mossi · Post by **Mossi** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:20 pm

Pies4shaw wrote:
Mossi wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote: Those 4 "putrid" years include 3 over which he kicked 141 goals at an average of 2.4 goals per game.
Yep he would be going nowhere if his last year and a half was 4.2 per game! Amazing what a inverting a few numbers can do?
Never the less I am sad to see him go. He will always be a 200+ game player for us.
i didn't say 2 goals, 4 behinds. I said 2.4 goals.

Fair enough, I miss interpreted that, but it wouldn't be far off his accuracy rate maight be around 2 gaols 3 behinds.......

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:45 pm

Mossi wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Mossi wrote: Yep he would be going nowhere if his last year and a half was 4.2 per game! Amazing what a inverting a few numbers can do?
Never the less I am sad to see him go. He will always be a 200+ game player for us.
i didn't say 2 goals, 4 behinds. I said 2.4 goals.
Fair enough, I miss interpreted that, but it wouldn't be far off his accuracy rate maight be around 2 gaols 3 behinds.......

Hilariously, he hasn't kicked more behinds than goals in any season since 2010. We seemed to cope OK with that.

He had a 12-year career with us. We won the flag in his 6th year. By then, he had played 124 games for 155 goals (an average of 1.25 goals per game). In the second half of his career, he has played a further 122 games for a further 286 goals (an average of 2.3 goals per game). Thus he scored an extra goal and a bit per game in the second half of his career (2011-2016). That includes his poor 2016. His time with us is done but, for all the frustrations of watching him, that won't be readily replaced.

MatthewBoydFanClub · Post by **MatthewBoydFanClub** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:01 pm

I'm struggling to understand why Dunkley wouldn't have been a much better pickup than Sier in last year's national draft. I'm starting to think that Hine needs to justify some of his selections. Kennedy won't get a game at Melbourne next year. Freeman never wanted to play at Collingwood and has no ticker. Gault has been kept too long on the list. We have no developing KPP's coming through on our list. Why does Buckley cop it all the time but not the guy in charge of list management?

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:45 pm

I asked this in the VFL thread Pies4Shaw, but you must have missed it.

Question, on todays performance, do you reckon Cloke will get a game in the Footscray VFL team next year?

be a sad finish to a career playing VFL reserves.

thompsoc · Post by **thompsoc** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:55 pm

BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:I'm struggling to understand why Dunkley wouldn't have been a much better pickup than Sier in last year's national draft. I'm starting to think that Hine needs to justify some of his selections. Kennedy won't get a game at Melbourne next year. Freeman never wanted to play at Collingwood and has no ticker. Gault has been kept too long on the list. We have no developing KPP's coming through on our list. Why does Buckley cop it all the time but not the guy in charge of list management?

Man read some of my past posts on Hine!
Remember
"In Hine we Trust"
"Another Hine gem"
"Gold Hine Gold"
"Let Hine weave his magic"
Blah blah blah.

Presti35 · Post by **Presti35** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:20 pm

Cant wait to get this trade done.

If the dogs lose in the PF or the GF, they might want to get their trades done quickly.

If they went all they way, they'd probably be less enthusiastic at the trade table.

If we got a pick in the 30s and a fringe player with potential, then we would have done well. If we only get the pick, then I'd be slightly disappointed. If we only got a player, then I'd hope its someone that is half decent. Not expecting a miracle trade here.

Is there any possibility that another player could be packaged with Cloke for a better pick or player?

The Prototype · Post by **The Prototype** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:26 pm

I suppose it would depend on how much the Dogs really want Cloke.

piedys · Post by **piedys** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:42 pm

BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:I'm struggling to understand why Dunkley wouldn't have been a much better pickup than Sier in last year's national draft. I'm starting to think that Hine needs to justify some of his selections. Kennedy won't get a game at Melbourne next year. Freeman never wanted to play at Collingwood and has no ticker. Gault has been kept too long on the list. We have no developing KPP's coming through on our list. Why does Buckley cop it all the time but not the guy in charge of list management?

Remember how we "sold the farm" to get Treloar and Aish last period?
Thus we had no picks prior to #32, Dunkley long gone by then at #25...
Am I right in thinking we did have access to a low twenties pick at some point, before dealing it away? Or was that the year prior?

25 Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs Gippsland U18 2015
26 Kieran Collins Western Bulldogs Dandenong U18 2015
27 Darcy Tucker Fremantle North Ballarat U18 2015
28 Luke Partington West Coast Norwood 2015
29 Alex Morgan Essendon Oakleigh U18 2015
30 Mason Redman Essendon Glenelg 2015
31 Ryan Clarke North Melbourne Eastern U18 2015
32 Brayden Sier Collingwood Northern U18 2015

eddiesmith · Post by **eddiesmith** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:56 pm

Be interesting to see the reactions in 12 months when Cloke is playing in a afl prelim for the Dogs and Collingwood has had yet another season where they fell well short of finals

piedys · Post by **piedys** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:00 pm

eddiesmith wrote:Be interesting to see the reactions in 12 months when Cloke is playing in a afl prelim for the Dogs and Collingwood has had yet another season where they fell well short of finals

If that is the case, we'll be too busy inducting a replacement coach and game plan to worry about what the Welfare are doing...

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#32 Travis Cloke