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Boot wrote:So Oliver Henry wants to join Geelong? Ok then if he really doesn’t want to fight for his spot in the best 22 at Collingwood then put him up for trade but insist we get Geelong’s future first round draft pick. Anything less and he stays or goes into the draft.
If we do not trade him any team can pick him up in the pre season draft.
The only thing we can do is increase our offer (not happening) or hope that the 14 teams before us in the pre season draft don’t take him before us, so we don’t have much breathing room here, meaning we will get what we get (hopefully a 2nd round pick)
We don't need to be in the business of improving Geelong's f$cking list.
If he wants to go - sacrifice the pick, and into the draft with him.
16 other teams will get to him before Geebung does, then he can play in front of nobody for the next year or two, or pull his finger out and work on his defensive deficiencies in the VFL
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I get all that but history shows it won’t pan out that way. The club will simply take the pick they’re offered as long as the club believes they can do something with it. If you’re offered a pick near #30 ( example only ) the club will still take it. If you’re only offered a pick in the 50s, you would likely say jam it because the chances of you doing anything with it are very slim. They would then probably call Geelongs bluff to show they won’t be manipulated or bullied. Geelong know all this, so it’s the game within the game and on this occasion, it’s not likely to be a game we will win.
Gary Player “ the harder I practice, the luckier I get “
^ I disagree. From a business perspective, you need to rule a line. If he does want out, then we shouldn't accept low picks for him - unless we desperately need the points for something I don't know about. Absent that remote possibility, we should tell anyone who offers us a pick in the 30s to **** off. We used pick 16 to draft him and would have wasted two seasons of development on him. At 29 you get Ryan Cook or (dare I mention him) Beams. We have enough average mids running around in the VFL as it is, without clogging the list with more of them.
I still haven't forgiven them for taking pick 57 for Witts after putting years of development work into him. Sometimes, making the best of a bad situation in an environment where you are a repeat player means sending a serious message - we can't make you stay but if you're a "want out" after your initial contract just for the sake of it, you can rot in the pre-season draft. It isn't like he's from somewhere near Katherine and hasn't adjusted to living in the City and would like a trade back home - it's 40 minutes from Melbourne to Geelong, so how home-sick could he be? If he does want out, it's just a whim and no properly-run business should indulge it.
I wouldn’t take anything less than a first round pick for him otherwise as many have said here go into the draft and hope like hell you don’t end up at GC.
He was pick 17, has played above Tanner Bruhn and many others of the same draft and is worth of Geelong's first round pick. But I'd ask for 2023 given we know their first pick shall be 17 or 18 this year.
In my view, we should do everything we can to retain Henry.
He has a special elite talent. You cannot kick over 20 goals in the limited time he had on the field this year unless you do.
His deficiencies - lack of defensive pressure and effort when without the ball, are not irremediable. They can be developed.
Unless the club has assessed that he is completely defiant, and will refuse to make the necessary improvements to his game, we need to persevere. He is only 20, so it is hard to imagine that we could have come to such an assessment.
Pies4shaw wrote:^ I disagree. From a business perspective, you need to rule a line. If he does want out, then we shouldn't accept low picks for him - unless we desperately need the points for something I don't know about. Absent that remote possibility, we should tell anyone who offers us a pick in the 30s to **** off. We used pick 16 to draft him and would have wasted two seasons of development on him. At 29 you get Ryan Cook or (dare I mention him) Beams. We have enough average mids running around in the VFL as it is, without clogging the list with more of them.
I still haven't forgiven them for taking pick 57 for Witts after putting years of development work into him. Sometimes, making the best of a bad situation in an environment where you are a repeat player means sending a serious message - we can't make you stay but if you're a "want out" after your initial contract just for the sake of it, you can rot in the pre-season draft. It isn't like he's from somewhere near Katherine and hasn't adjusted to living in the City and would like a trade back home - it's 40 minutes from Melbourne to Geelong, so how home-sick could he be? If he does want out, it's just a whim and no properly-run business should indulge it.
I’m only reminding everyone how history will likely dictate this outcome. If the club wants to put ego and “ principles “ before a late second round pick ( # 30 odd ) then that’s on them. Me, I’m taking it and cutting my losses and making the best of a bad situation. For every Brayden Cook, there’s a Lipinski in the mid forties too.
I’m also GUESSING Henrys reluctance to sign came as a surprise to them and that they would have squirrelled away enough money to renew his contract. If that’s the case, then don’t be surprised if Collingwood are into another player that hasn’t been discussed yet. Surely, IF you are going to add yet another player into your list, you might as well have that pick around 30 odd as trading currency.
Achilles wrote:I wouldn’t take anything less than a first round pick for him otherwise as many have said here go into the draft and hope like hell you don’t end up at GC.
Yes this. We cannot have our backsides kicked by bloody Geelong. Enough is enough, bugger them and Henry if he wants to leave. The system is in place for a reason so lets use it. No charity towards anyone else.
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm
Something else that comes to mind is what if we got up yesterday?
Surely you'd think Johnson would be dropped. That leaves the question of Krueger or Oli Henry coming in, even if only as sub. If Cox was also to miss, gee whizz. Henry would be certain to play.
