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slangman wrote:A biological man can identify as a woman as much as he/she/them/ they like but when they turn 40 they will still require a prostate check.

Biology doesn’t care about you feel.
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According to biology, Trans Men can get pregnant. https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/artic ... rview-2023
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You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
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stui magpie wrote:According to biology, Trans Men can get pregnant. https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/artic ... rview-2023
To be expected, ,still has all the plumbing!
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Not only is it a right-wing invention that transgender people are ignorant of their own biology
The dumbest comment on the trans debate that I’ve ever heard.
A right wing invention…..OMG!!!
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Try me, I’m sure you can do better. ;)
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slangman wrote:
David wrote:
Not only is it a right-wing invention that transgender people are ignorant of their own biology
The dumbest comment on the trans debate that I’ve ever heard.
A right wing invention…..OMG!!!
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Wow, ok, how are you a mod! You don’t seem to be able to have a discussion without name calling!
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You don’t need to take it personally. Just own that your (like many people’s) understanding of transgender issues is limited. But reading something like this and trying to put yourself in people’s shoes for a bit may help:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-re ... rney/99101
"Transgender women present in different stages of transition," said Darryl Mitteldorf, LCSW, an oncology social worker who runs Malecare, a national support and advocacy organization for patients with prostate cancer. Malecare pioneered the field of LGBT psycho-oncology and founded the first prostate cancer support group for gay men in 1997 and the first transgender women with prostate cancer group in 2000.

Mitteldorf said some cis-gendered men presented their authentic female selves before moving forward with medical or surgical treatments. But most of the women who attended prostate cancer groups had completed top or bottom surgery and were on hormone therapy.

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"The key message is all of these ladies had prostates, and all wanted a safe place -- no matter which stage of transition they were in -- to talk about prostate cancer, as only they uniquely experience," Mitteldorf said.
It’s hugely insulting to suggest that a transgender person is in denial about their biology. Trans men know that they have uteruses and trans women know that they have prostates, just like they know that they were born with genitals and other characteristics matching the gender they were assigned at birth. How could anyone go through years of hormonal treatment and sometimes surgery without being acutely aware of all of that?

So, no, being transgender isn’t about not knowing what your body looks like or how it works. It’s about gender, not sex, and gender isn’t biological (as much as we might casually use those terms interchangeably).

We’re all ignorant of certain things. That’s not something to be ashamed of. But when that ignorance is embraced and used to hurt, mock or belittle others, that is shameful, and it should be pushed back on vigorously by people who value kindness and respect.
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think positive wrote:Wow, ok, how are you a mod! You don’t seem to be able to have a discussion without name calling!
He is not name calling, just pointing out ignorance where he sees it and being extremely polite and patient with everybody, while receiving almost none of that in return.
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^ He is just pontificating.
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Yep
Comes across as if his word is 100% spot on and belittles the opinions of others.

It’s possible to discuss a subject and disagree with people without calling them idiots, arrogant or ignorant.
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Well, The Greens can't even have an internal discussioin on the topic without it getting nasty

https://www.theage.com.au/national/gree ... 5dces.html

https://www.theage.com.au/national/lost ... 5dbgu.html
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