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Go ahead, make my day _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Where is that? |
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think positive
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Bang bang _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
I dare you to try
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David
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^Surely that's satire from The Onion!
Guns in the hands of young, emotional, risk-taking, substance-consuming young people on university campuses while being told Jesus isn't real?
_________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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David
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Interesting aside at the end of the article that the founding fathers banned guns at the University of Virginia, which suggests that, as these things tend to go in religion, the adherents can often be far more fundamentalist than the actual writers of the sacred texts. But then, if someone can explain to me why guns on campus are more dangerous than guns in a pub (as is also permitted in many states), I'd appreciate it.
It's all madness, and is, ironically, directly antithetical to any recognisable form of liberty. Where is the liberty in having to self-censor lest you provoke the guy sitting next to you with a loaded handgun? This is tyranny, not freedom. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Wokko
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I was going to post a lengthy, concerted defence but in the end I realize that a lifetime of indoctrination is useless to bash my head against. I read the arguments against my point of view, hell I seek them out, it might do you good to try the same. And Salon? Do you have anything but infantile, loony left moonbat sites in your bookmark list David? (Called you Dave then and had to go back and edit it, does anyone call you Dave? I've often wondered)
http://concealedcampus.org/2016/02/rape-survivor-speaks-out-in-favor-of-campus-carry/ |
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pietillidie
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^Are you honestly saying it's the source which bothers you there? Are the facts wrong? _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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David
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Haha, no, happy for DTM to be the resident Dave.
re: the article, the odd chance of being able to prevent a rape, mugging or other form of unexpected physical assault with a gun (provided you're able to use it on time and don't end up being disarmed and having it used against you) hardly outweighs the potential harm caused by accidental discharges, suicides, escalated interpersonal conflicts and the odd campus shooting spree.
Anyhow, college dorm date rapes aside – not the sort of thing that most people have a loaded gun prepared for – how many women actually get raped on campus? Is there an epidemic of male students hiding in the bushes waiting for their next victim? And what on earth does that have to do with students being given the right to bring firearms into class? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Wokko
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The 'article' is based around a local newspaper story on a tweet and the musings of a PhD student. It's rubbish journalism (and I use that term with reservation) designed to stoke the feels of an already anti 2nd amendment readership. It offers nothing in the way of argument for or against the law, it doesn't give anything in the way of a balanced opinion (balance it seems is only warranted when a conservative viewpoint is being discussed), it finishes up with a quote from another lot who are against the law and a 'gotcha' moment about the University of Virginia without any context or explanation.
I had to read in the comments to find out if these laws existed anywhere else and the impact they had (Utah, had them for years, no issues).
As for 'sensitive topics' not being discussed, there is already a huge movement towards censorship of anything other than progressive left ideology (no platforming etc that we've discussed before), so THAT is a red herring if I've ever seen one. |
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pietillidie
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^That's fine, but it's not what I asked or even gave a toss about. Are the facts correct? Can students carry on campus by law? _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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Wokko
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David wrote: | Haha, no, happy for DTM to be the resident Dave.
re: the article, the odd chance of being able to prevent a rape, mugging or other form of unexpected physical assault with a gun (provided you're able to use it on time and don't end up being disarmed and having it used against you) hardly outweighs the potential harm caused by accidental discharges, suicides, escalated interpersonal conflicts and the odd campus shooting spree.
Anyhow, college dorm date rapes aside – not the sort of thing that most people have a loaded gun prepared for – how many women actually get raped on campus? Is there an epidemic of male students hiding in the bushes waiting for their next victim? And what on earth does that have to do with students being given the right to bring firearms into class? |
No the college rape epidemic is largely nonsense, but the right of self defence and therefore the means to do so is enshrined in the US Constitution. Women cannot defend themselves without a weapon and as the young lady in the article says, even with training and something non lethal like pepper spray a woman is still vulnerable.
As for Campus shootings, they've all bar one occurred as far as I know in Universities that ban firearms with Oregon being the exception.
What's really difficult about this issue is that nobody seems to want to be neutral. Statistics are used and abused by both sides, the same facts are distorted and used by both sides of the argument and nobody is really willing to change their viewpoint.
In Australia I'd be happy for a return of sanity and repealing Howard's gun laws that did nothing more than demonize and punish law abiding shooters. And if I hear one more bullshitter reel off the 'no mass shootings since Port Arthur' crap when my partner still has PTSD after being at Monash during the mass shooting there I'll flip the **** out. |
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Wokko
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pietillidie wrote: | ^That's fine, but it's not what I asked or even gave a toss about. Are the facts correct? Can students carry on campus by law? |
How is that in question? Yes they can in Texas as well as a few other States.
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pietillidie
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Wokko wrote: | pietillidie wrote: | ^That's fine, but it's not what I asked or even gave a toss about. Are the facts correct? Can students carry on campus by law? |
How is that in question? Yes they can in Texas as well as a few other States.
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Well, then, I repeat:
Surely that's satire from The Onion!
Guns in the hands of young, emotional, risk-taking, substance-consuming young people on university campuses while being told Jesus isn't real?
<etc. – thanks PTID, I think we get the message. > _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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